Telling Everyone To Stay At Home Is Dumb, And So Is The CDC
BY Herschel Smith
4 years ago
NRO.
We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases. The first salient feature of the 318 identified outbreaks that involved three or more cases is that they all occurred in indoor environments. Although this finding was expected, its significance has not been well recognised by the community and by policy makers. Indoors is where our lives and work are in modern civilisation. The transmission of respiratory infections such as SARS-CoV-2 from the infected to the susceptible is an indoor phenomenon.
And yet governors across the country are closing parks.
The CDC failed to ensure enough PPEs were available for a pandemic. The CDC failed to develop good models for things just like this. The CDC failed to “war game” such an outbreak. The CDC failed to tell the truth about all of this for many months.
The CDC continues to give false information and bad recommendations to the public. The CDC cannot even keep the models up-to-date and correct. The CDC begged for more money to study racism and “gun violence.” The CDC failed to shut down experimentation on this very bug at UNC, Harvard, and in Canada, and failed to warn others about what was happening. The CDC fails to incorporate consideration for a completely failed economy in their calculus and its cost to human lives.
The CDC cannot agree on a therapeutic, even though they recommended the very thing for treatment that’s working now, Hydroxychloroquine, back in 2005, and are now denying that this very therapeutic works. The CDC continues to be an impediment to progress on this, not a catalyst for success.
Because the CDC is full of ne’er-do-wells, morons, rubes, hicks, rednecks, idiots and awful people.
So when I went on this rant with my daughter this afternoon, she responded: “Well, you keep calling them idiots, and I think you’re ignoring the fact that this could be the result of intentional and nefarious behavior on their part.”
That’s my daughter. Good girl. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
On April 17, 2020 at 6:56 am, ragman said:
I agree with your daughter. They are not necessarily stupid people, evil but not stupid.The fact that the chinese communists have us by the short hairs is a result of greed and incredibly stupid decisions. WE are rapidly approaching National Socialism. The FED is buying everything. Their ability to create “money” out of thin air is limitless and will result in the total destruction of whats left of our “economy”. The only honest market in the United States is the firearms market. With a few notable exceptions, everything is made in the USofA and it is not controlled by foreign entities or the NY banking cartel.
On April 17, 2020 at 7:56 am, June J said:
Bill Gates has a conference to model a pandemic. Then there’s a “pandemic” and every government agency botches the response. Officials at agencies whose primary responsibility is to prevent the spread of diseases repeatedly obscure the truth, inflate the numbers of deaths, incite panic at all levels and continue to lie as if all of the people are as stupid as Hillary thinks they are.
Bill Gates spending millions, maybe billions on development of a vaccine, insisting that everyone must be vaccinated and have proof of said vaccination.
The main sewer media promotes all of the above as fact.
Nah, probably no nefarious intent by anyone involved.
On April 17, 2020 at 8:45 am, Fred said:
The Government of the United States needs to be replaced. There is no other clear way forward.
On April 17, 2020 at 9:59 am, Ned2 said:
And now the CDC is including probable cases (wink, wink) to the daily death tally. I wonder at what point do people say “no more”, and resume their lives? Have we lost that American Independent Streak?
On April 17, 2020 at 10:58 am, ThatWouldBeTelling said:
June J: After SARS and MERS, everybody, and I mean everybody knew there was a very good chance a novel coronavirus crossing over from bats, perhaps through an intermediate animal, was going to sooner or later cause a pandemic like the one we’re experiencing. So we’ve been preparing for it, but the government much less well than people like Bill Gates, who’s now going full Manhattan Project to make sure there’s a factory ready for any vaccine that we manage to develop and test, knowing he’s going to waste billions in the process.
You don’t like vaccines? Talk to someone who remembers when we didn’t have one for polio.
and I think you’re ignoring the fact that this could be the result of intentional and nefarious behavior on their part
I cannot find any other explanation for the way the FDA completely blocked development of tests other than the CDC’s flawed one. They demanded they be able to distinguish between SARS-CoV, which died out!!!, MERS-CoV, which is still infecting people, but not many and none in the US, and SARS-CoV-2. I can’t think of any motive that’s not malicious, and between them and the CDC, they sandbagged the whole nation for 1 and 2/3rds months on testing, only 4,000 people tested, making our current debacle inevitable. I keep coming back to Meghan McCain’s statement that “this could be the silver bullet that takes out this administration”. Biology in the US has been 100% Leftist (pretend, but mostly for real) for a decades….
On April 17, 2020 at 11:02 am, ThatWouldBeTelling said:
Ned2: No, it’s just that most Americans aren’t as literally genocidal as you are. We’ve had this discussion elsewhere, the “coronavirus truthers” like you are taking a situation that could seriously advance the causes of the Right, like against globalism, and the liberalism that makes it impossible to control COVID-19 in the US and other countries infected with that reliable killer of people, and turning it into a own goal of proportions I have difficultly contemplating. I doubt we’ll be able to recover in my lifetime.
On April 17, 2020 at 11:22 am, Herschel Smith said:
@That,
This isn’t a Zoonotic virus. It’s an engineered virus.
As for your comments to Ned2, what on earth are you talking about?
On April 17, 2020 at 11:23 am, Ned2 said:
@Telling
Genocidal????
Go on back to Aesops circle jerk. The numbers don’t lie. Nothing adds up. All the pertinent questions I have posed on numerous sites and forums surrounding this “pandemic” have gone either unanswered or explained away with nonsensical theories that wouldn’t stand up in a kindergarten classroom.
Show me where this has decimated a population.
Show me where the millions of 5 minute tests are.
Show me the actual death toll from this virus.
Show me the actual numbers of infected.
Show me how social distancing eradicates a coronavirus. Don’t we want herd immunity? Or is this not a coronavirus, but something else. If so, what is it. Why are we being kept in the dark?
Show me one example in history where the government has told us the truth.
And many more questions, too numerous to list here..
I’m sure anyone capable of critical thinking can see the situation is FUBAR, and no one knows what’s going on or what the truth is. And conjecture or educated guesswork does NOT qualify as an answer to any of the above questions. The so called experts have been 100% wrong on their projections since the start of this. 100% wrong.
On April 17, 2020 at 11:40 am, ThatWouldBeTelling said:
This isn’t a Zoonotic virus. It’s an engineered virus.
It’s possible it’s purely zoonotic. It’s most likely “engineered” in a crude process of passing it through mammals much more like us than bats by true Mad Scientists doing gain of function “research.” If I’m speaking broadly, and not getting into these details, I’ll continue to describe it as zoonotic, as we’re pretty sure SARS-CoV first passing through civets was, and MERS-CoV passing through camels is, that’s why it’s still with is because they provide a reservoir.
It’s also possible this happened inadvertently with pangolins after they were captured and confined in small enclosures, but way too many things line up with the “escaped from the lab” explanation, which does include the possibility they found a particularly human pathogenic bat virus among all the ones they collected in so many ways. But I’m betting on an oops with a gain of function experiment, something we’ve been worrying about for years starting with bird flu experiments, and both have resulted in US Federal government funding moratoriums.
For dealing with the virus, it doesn’t matter, it is what it is. Origin questions are important in our dealings with the CCP/PRC, particularly in avoiding yet another lethal coronavirus, which the CCP just might deliberately create and spread to salvage their position as Matt Bracken has been postulating.
Ned2: I’ll repeat Aesop’s question, “How many millions of people must someone want to shove into crematoriums before we are justified in calling them genocidal?”
Anyone who wants the detailed discussion can read postings on Aesop’s blog.
On April 17, 2020 at 11:56 am, Herschel Smith said:
@That,
No. You’re wrong.
This is SARS, Bat-SARS + HIV. It is specifically engineered to do what it does. This doesn’t happen in nature. Watch Paul Cotrell’s video again.
If you want to try to convince me that a bat, which wasn’t at the open market in Wuhan, had SARS + Bat-SARS, and happened to run into another bat that had HIV homology and they had babies and produced a baby bat where these the resultant virus for no apparent reason selected the perfect parts of these three to formulate this thing and then flew to the open market and pissed on something, then have at it, but you’re working uphill with me. I think you believe in myths and fairy tales.
But this might be worth a separate post. I don’t believe in macro-evolution, up the chain of complexity. There are pre-philosophical commitments here, and you have them, and I have them.
I am a creationist, and I believe in the second law of thermodynamics, but I’m being redundant. If you’re not a creationist, then you believe in the second law, but you don’t, because you believe in macro-evolution.
On April 17, 2020 at 12:11 pm, ThatWouldBeTelling said:
Herschel: I’m willing to be convinced it was engineered with precision, after spending more than a few months getting my 1980’s molecular biology up to date, but from what I’ve read and looked at, the sequences that match HIV are short enough to be “parallel evolution.”
You’re philosophical arguments are noted, and valuable, but your straw manning my arguments means we have no basis for further discussion, you’re not an honest debater.
On April 17, 2020 at 12:42 pm, Ned2 said:
@That’s Telling
“It’s possible it’s purely zoonotic”
“It’s most likely “engineered”
“..as we’re pretty sure”
“It’s also possible”
“..does include the possibility”
“But I’m betting on an oops”
Your entire post proves my point. You know nothing.
You’re sounding more and more like you work for the CDC.
On April 17, 2020 at 12:52 pm, Fred said:
America is bankrupt, its agencies and departments are failed including the “gun crime” and “racism” CDC.
On April 17, 2020 at 1:44 pm, Herschel Smith said:
@That,
A full response is probably something better saved for a complete post. I cannot focus on this at the moment. Just too much to do right now.
On April 17, 2020 at 2:38 pm, ThatWouldBeTelling said:
Ned2: And I suppose you were tickled pink by the CIA’s certainty that Saddam had active WMD programs? I give them a partial pass on that because he believed he did, but his subordinates were pocketing the money for one or more of them.
I bring that up because of the difficultly in figuring out the origin of SARS-CoV-2 when a hostile state actor where it originated from is doing everything it can to prevent that is the same sort of thing, and I doubt in the remit of the CDC. Whereas there are all sorts of things about COVID-19 I’m willing to make “certain” statements about, just like the CDC. The most certain: you really, really don’t want to get a bad case of it.
On April 17, 2020 at 6:07 pm, 15Fixer said:
Your daughter IS a smart lady! Has a way with words too. Is she married??? Can I fill out an application??? Smart women are waaayyyyy too scarce these days…….
On April 17, 2020 at 8:32 pm, George1 said:
The U.S. Elites are corrupted, incompetent and evil. In many cases they aren’t even Aericans, except for paperwork. Does anyone think the CEO of Google is an American except in name only due to insane policies?
America is in late stage empire mode. We probably have less than 15 years.
” Children are their oppressors and women rule over them”.
On April 18, 2020 at 4:57 am, Hudson H Luce said:
This guy makes the best case I’ve seen so far that this is an engineered virus – he’s a research assistant prof at U Pittsburgh, PhD in neurobiology – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlplnH3VYyc
As far as CDC goes, they spent weeks – months – saying that wearing masks is a bad idea. That’s really bad advice, frankly homicidal advice, lots of deaths could have been prevented if people masked up as soon as they heard about the first deaths in Wuhan, given all of the Red Chinese “students” in the US, and the likelihood of the WuFlu being spread to the US, as an element of the Chinese Communist doctrine of Unrestricted Warfare – see https://www.c4i.org/unrestricted.pdf
Mask wearing makes a lot of sense – as do the rest of the posts on this weblog about WuFlu: “If you look at it, I have considered the face masks to be a key tool in the suppression of the propagation of similar flu-like viruses at least since January, a tool that has clearly been successful not only in China but also in Japan, Taiwan, and some other Asian countries. On March 11th, I explicitly wrote the minister of health to make them mandatory and it basically occurred since March 18th.
The Czech data really suggests that the peak of the daily new cases occurred about a week after that new duty, as expected. The change of the trend due to the mask is visible, unlike the hypothetical change of the trend due to the cancellation of events and businesses.
The video at the top is officially endorsed by the Czech government. It explains that in contrast with the widespread misunderstanding (even by some officials at the WHO), even the simplest masks help. But they mainly help “others”, not the carrier of the masks, according to the slogan
‘I protect you, you protect me.’
Too bad that this rudimentary point still remains misunderstood, even after 2 months in which the virus has been the #1 topic for 24 hours a day. In the video, various physicians and particle physicists speak.
There exists a global website MasksSaveLives.com which mainly shows the persuasive data from Asia – where the high face mask culture leads to negligible health problems with Covid-19 – but it also features the Czech video. On Twitter etc., the relevant hash tag is #Masks4All.
In Czechia, the country of 10.6 million, we had the first three cases on March 1st. We’re currently doing over 4,000 tests a day or so, 6% of them end up being positive. The maximum daily new cases peaked at around 370 on March 26th or so. Now the daily new cases seem to be below 200 again. Some 200 are hospitalized, including 45 serious cases, 17 people have died, almost all of them very old or very ill, in most cases both. One nurse has died, too. 11 have officially recovered, a 9-day-long break in between two negative tests is required.
The pride about Czechs’ being the “honorary Asians” is widespread. Aside from the viral song by Mirai which has 1.6 million views now (I am happy they didn’t credit me with the translation of the subtitles into Lumo English), you may find hundreds of YouTube videos how to create a home-made mask.” https://motls.blogspot.com/2020/03/among-whites-czechs-are-face-mask.html
So it turns out that we didn’t need to shut down the economy, kick people out of work, track people’s movements, put drones in the air, close down schools and churches, and so on. All people needed to do was to wear a mask – even a home-made one – and presto! the WuFlu bites the dust.
We should send all of the ChiComm “students” and “researchers” back to Red China, permanently bar air travel to and from Red China, stop Red Chinese goods from coming in to the US – and stop US goods going to Red China, and just basically cut them off at the knees. For good measure, we should seize all property held here by Red Chinese citizens and corporations and their nominees and agents, tracing ownership through layers of shell corps as need be, as compensatory and punitive damages for their criminal acts.
On April 19, 2020 at 7:59 pm, Danny said:
Another Dr. to review is Dr. Rashid Buttar. In a recent interview he refers to the virus being created in 2015 at UNC Chapel Hill. This article, https://capitalisteric.wordpress.com/2020/03/08/coronavirus-blunt-truth/ links to the paper where they discussed its development. Dr. Buttar then states Fauci got caught breaking the law allowing this type of research and so exported further development to Wuhan BSL-4 lab. So, its pretty whatever virus was engineered as a bioweapon.
Its also not possible to test for Covid-19 using the RT-PCR test and likely that test is only measuring the bodies natural response to pathogens (virus, polluted air, electromagnetic poisoning, etc.)
If a engineering schmuck like me can uncover this it’s reasonable to believe MDs with viral experience can connect the dots. They arent, at least publically, because they are going along to get along – what every tyrant depends upon, a pliant population, top to bottom.