Some of My Thoughts on the Charlie Kirk Murder

BY Herschel Smith
1 month, 2 weeks ago

These aren’t all of my thoughts by any means, but just something for you to think about today.

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Comments

  1. On September 15, 2025 at 4:13 am, Mark Matis said:

    So was the assassination planned and funded by Mossad?
    Or was the CIA also involved?

  2. On September 15, 2025 at 8:33 am, Mangey C said:

    Its good to see your theological side, especially in these end times. God speed for more, please.
    Deus Vult

    R

  3. On September 15, 2025 at 9:20 am, george 1 said:

    Charlie was certainly becoming red pilled on Israel recently. According to one of his friends he turned down a pile of cash that Netanyahu was trying to give him.

    @Mark Matis. I don’t know who killed him anymore than the next guy but the CIA/Mossad, are two sides of the same filthy coin.

  4. On September 15, 2025 at 9:23 am, Ernie Garza said:

    Romans 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me,
    And every tongue shall give praise to God.”

    IT IS WRITTEN! A divine appointment to keep regardless of whether you believe it or not. Hope and pray you have your ticket to heaven – JESUS CHRIST

  5. On September 15, 2025 at 9:59 am, john844 said:

    @Mark Matis – most likely.

  6. On September 15, 2025 at 12:44 pm, helicopter said:

    The Left Hand Path hates those that serve God as they don’t serve their man made god the state.

  7. On September 15, 2025 at 1:45 pm, RCW said:

    Yeah likely, CIA & Mossad; I’d also add MI6, to complete the triumvirate, aka the usual suspects.

  8. On September 15, 2025 at 6:04 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:

    Regarding the possibility of an Israeli connection to the murder of Charlie Kirk, a number of sources have reported that prior to his death, Kirk had been in contact with a number of high-powered figures in the donor class, billionaires – upset with his recent change of heart concerning regarding that nation.

    After years of unalloyed support, Kirk was beginning to ask a lot of questions which made people like Mirian Adelson, the widow of billionaire Seldon Adelson, unhappy. Kirk reported communicated with Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, and turned down a significant infusion of Israeli funding.

    According to fellow influencer Candice Owens, who is also popular with young people, shortly before his death Kirk was frightened and concerned with the tone and direction these various communications were taking.

    It is also germane to note that in the wake of Kirk’s death, Ben Shapiro, a prominent Jewish conservative commentator, has stepped into Kirk’s shoes as leader of Turning Point.

    The other possible culprits being mentioned frequently are the whole Antifa-LGBTQ+ crowd, which involves dozens of significant NGOs, for-profit and governmental entities, as well as those movements themselves. Since Antifa et al. have been discovered to have ties to everyone from the jihadists to the Chinese, it opens the door to a lot of possibilities.

    This angle comports with the evidence gathered thus far by the FBI and other LE/national security agencies, but since the domestic deep-state itself was probably involved in this thing, good luck finding out if any of the “official” pronouncements about this case are trustworthy or not. Yeah, there’s new leadership there, but the organization is riddled with Obama and Biden stay-behinds.

  9. On September 16, 2025 at 9:53 am, george 1 said:

    @Georgiaboy61

    TPUSA was funded at its’ inception largely by individuals and organizations who were extremely pro Israel. Charlie delivered their preferred message as his organization grew. He became very rich and his organization grew rapidly as a result of all of this backing. Along with his Christian values he also voiced the tolerance of LGBTQ positions of that influence base among other leftist ideologies together with the Zionist world view.

    Only in the last few months had he started to question Israel’s/Zionist’s control of America. In a recent interview with Megan Kelly, he brought up the Epstein issues again, after Trump had told him personally to stop talking about Epstein. One of his friends is said to have witnessed him telling Trump that it would be a mistake to go to war with Iran for Israel. Trump angrily dismissed the statement. Charlie had also recently starting questioning the murder of women and children in Gaza where previously he had stated that it was fake news.

    So it appears that Kirk was reflecting on moral issues and quite possibly the situation with his soul. It very much looked like he was trying to reconcile the situation with the truth. However that can be very dangerous when you took the ring to get where you are and later try to leave the gang behind.

    We will never know the whole truth. The powers that be will just never tell that truth. All we can safely assume is that 95 plus percent of the time the official story is a lie. For myself I always ask who had what to gain.

  10. On September 16, 2025 at 11:23 am, J J said:

    Once all Christians understand that the far left isn’t just “misguided” or “ignorant” of truth, but that they are children of Lucifer, the church of Jesus can begin to make a difference again.
    Soft, let’s just all get along diversity is our strength Christianity isn’t going to change anything.

  11. On September 17, 2025 at 12:03 am, Georgiaboy61 said:

    @george1

    Re: “We will never know the whole truth. The powers that be will just never tell that truth. All we can safely assume is that 95 plus percent of the time the official story is a lie. For myself I always ask who had what to gain.”

    Thank you for the background. I did not follow Charlie Kirk to any great degree – I knew his name but that’s about it, and I am also considerably older than he was – but he struck me as a young man devoted to speaking the truth as he understood it to be. That didn’t use to be a crime, but times change, I suppose.

    His assassination serves as an indicator of just how much America has changed over the last sixty or so years. Every child back in the old days knew the nursery rhyme about “Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me…”

    It was understood that the cost of freedom of speech/expression was that one was going to be offended at some point or another. Life is a contact sport, so rub some dirt on it and get back up and into the game again. Thinned skinned people who lost it over someone else’s politely-expressed opinion were told to “grow up” and to stop acting like a child.

    Well, that was then, this is now: Voice the wrong opinion, and you could get gunned down.

    All of which begs the question: Just what was it that Charlie Kirk did or said in his last days that was so threatening to someone or something that it cost him his life?

    By which is meant, Kirk’s death was not just someone eliminating an enemy or threat. It was also a message to others, keep your heads down and your mouths shut. So, who sent the message and why?

    At the very least, it looks as if someone thought that had “bought” Charlie Kirk to use as a mouthpiece, and when he didn’t “stay bought,” someone got mad and ordered the hit.

    You are correct that the truth may never be known. The black bag boys have gotten so good at covering their tracks that it may be years or even decades before the truth comes to light, if then. So, like you I will continue to ask “Cui bono?” “Who benefits?”

  12. On September 17, 2025 at 9:14 am, Don't mind me. said:

    https://georgewebb.substack.com/p/earshot-the-charlie-kirk-murder

    Forensics don’t lie.
    And they dismantled the crime scene in minutes, didn’t they?

  13. On September 17, 2025 at 11:52 am, Steve Miller said:

    Dang. Why do movie quotes come up? Jack Warden “used to be when a politician was bought he stayed bought”

  14. On September 17, 2025 at 7:03 pm, The Long March said:

    Comrade kommissar Billy Ayers said that most normies wouldn’t be able to handle WAR in their backyard in early 1970s Weather Underground manifesto Prairie Fire.

  15. On September 18, 2025 at 11:07 am, Ademar Rakowsky said:

    Glory to Jesus Christ, y’all!

    My colleague Mike Gladieux wrote a book, “The Genesis Documents,” wherein he shows that Genesis was compiled by Moses himself from a multigenerational collection of mostly clay tablets that are a family history started by Adam. The LITERAL Six-Day Creation account was given to Adam by God Himself, analogous to Him later giving Moses the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai. NO doubt that the Bible is true!!

    The book is available through the Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation (kolbecenter.org).

    Personally, I’m a Great Flood Geology specialist for the Center, with two articles on the site, plus my own Flood-topics Substack: ademarrakowsky.substack.com

    Our Mother of Perpetual Help, aid us!

  16. On September 21, 2025 at 3:08 am, Stefan v. said:

    Charlie telling OnlyFans exhibitionistas “God loves all of you” is NOT classic Christian doctrine.

    Nowhere in Scripture do we find the mandate to tell sinners God loves them. They are told of their sin, imminent judgment, and the existence of The Lord’s atoning penal subtitutionary sacrifice FOR HIS PEOPLE. He did not die for the unsaved, those who go to Hell were never loved, and to present another gospel is to present a false God.

    Charlie had some very serious theological problems, and trod a dangerously broad path. Perhaps he was about to take a narrower one, but we won’t know that in this life.

    Be careful!

  17. On September 21, 2025 at 10:17 am, Herschel Smith said:

    @Stefan,

    Okay we’re knee deep in the weeds of what I said above. But let’s do it.

    I am a Calvinist. I concur with your views. However, I don’t believe that, for example, Armenians (free willers) are unsaved because they’re Armenians, or that folks who disagree with my eschatology or church government are unsaved because we disagree.

    The issue I pointed out above is even more basic. Current Christendom is a failure and believes that the truth is the social gospel and in the main doesn’t believe the scriptures say anything. To see someone challenge that and be successful at it is gratifying.

    While it is true that I would present things somewhat differently than him, there are lights years of difference between Charlie and the PCUSA, the Episcopal church, the Methodist church and so on.

    Finally, there is always evolution in theological clarity throughout the life of a believer.

  18. On September 21, 2025 at 1:55 pm, Stefan v. said:

    We’re in danger of talking past each other.

    Salvation is solely by The Lord. Faith is the product and means of it.

    Charlie’s developing theological positions were moving away from his childhood Presbyterianism, were already deep in pentecostalism, and allegedly cosying up to fullbore papism.

    At some point one’s stated doctrine stands as the only humanly visible evidence as to the underlying current state of the soul.

    Men like Gill, Owen, Knox, Henry, Luther, Whitfield, Spurgeon have left written evidence of sound Theology, though in varying degrees they also wrote some questionable things or even outright heresies (Luther’s consubstantiation and virulent Hebrew-pathy for instance), and some were members of groups that acted much like the blood drenched harlot of Rome that they purported to oppose. Drowning Baptists, burning opponents, modifying but not abolishing the idolatries and blasphemies of the Roman cult they fled.

    Worse, some like Baxter that seem to straddle the fence but actually have broken the golden chain of soteriology, yet so subtly that they are commonly counted amongst the previous group.

    Then finally over the fence there are the Wesleys, Finney, Moody, Sunday, the Grahams, Campbell, White, to an enormous number and variety, widely considered as still within the fold. It’s a broad path, with soft words and pious ways and sweet music, like a dragon talking like a lamb, saying ye shall know the difference between good and evil (free will).

    And clearly so far outside the wall to be in another land are the Russelites, and the Smithites of the LDS which Mr Kirk was also speaking warmly to. We’re surely commanded to have no fellowship with these, to mark them and warn of them and not even bid them good will on their way. If not these, then where do we draw the line? The muslims with their Isa? The Hindus that added Yeshu to their catalogue?

    They all claim The or a “Lord Jesus Christ”, but depending on the group He acts and speaks very differently from recorded in Sola Scriptura, where there are clear and dire warnings of impostors within and without, deceivers and deceived, worsening toward their final end in an actual man of sin claiming The Glory.

    Here we get to Eschatology. It is important because it flavours actions. The Premillenialists await the blessed Return a different way to the Amillenialists. Not sure what the Preterists are expecting, they should be quite disappointed if this is the manifestation of all the magnificent promises. Perhaps they just can’t read, or are so wed to the status quo that they’re fine with things are they are on their uncharted wasteland. Blindness is a symptom of reprobation. The autoeunuch Origen has claimed a lot of eyes.

    It does not hurt to assail one’s own castle to see if it really does stand. If it truly is impregnable and airtight, then it wasn’t built by men or angels of the enemy camp, and is safe to dwell in since it was designed and built by God.

    Doctrine doesn’t save, neither do Eschatology or Ecclesiology, but the manner of things one understands and preaches (and what persons one associates with) indicate what Spirit or spirit lives under the skin. Can we get this wrong? Yes, but erring on the side of caution involves standing clear of dubious things, not embracing them.

    The danger in this current religious fervour surrounding the foul murder of Mr Kirk is that many will rush onto the broad path, and think it good. It is swarming with wolves and bandits. Mr Kirk’s erstwhile buddies of the Seven Mountain NAR persuasion must be pleased, he is worth more dead than alive. He can’t speak up and say otherwise, now. Where will this enraged mob trample, what will they clamour for? The Palantir spy system is coming soon. The growing rage against Jews and Israel, that’s a sign of something nasty happening sooner or not much later, another bloodbath instigated by infiltrators and impostors.

    Mr Kirk was part of that, and whether he was murdered by sodomite commies or fake Zionists or Ukranian grifters or pseudochristian Maga imperialists, and whether for the reason of him disobeying his cloaked sponsors or by their enemies for his being too effective, his death is being exploited by evil forces to a ruinous end.

    By all means seek to reinstate the sensible laws and wholesome things that once made the united States a collection of places of varying relative safety for Godly people (always a minority in any land no matter how nominally Christian), but to try and build a theocratic utopia and call it Christian will result in the earthly kingdom of hell.

    We have been warned, in detail. The warning will fall on mostly deaf ears.

    Revelation 19:10
    And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

    Revelation 22:11
    He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

  19. On September 21, 2025 at 3:19 pm, Herschel Smith said:

    My point is still more fundamental than that.

    To hear “Christ is King” in the land of NT Wright is a hard lurch right. It may be a while before we can send them “Institutes of Elenctic Theology.”

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