John Nagl and Paul Yingling Advocate Oath Breaking

BY Herschel Smith
3 years, 1 month ago

Via David Codrea, this piece at Defense One is breathtaking in its presumptuousness and stupidity.

Dear General Milley:

As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, you are well aware of your duties in ordinary times: to serve as principal military advisor to the president of the United States, and to transmit the lawful orders of the president and Secretary of Defense to combatant commanders. In ordinary times, these duties are entirely consistent with your oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”

We do not live in ordinary times. The president of the United States is actively subverting our electoral system, threatening to remain in office in defiance of our Constitution. In a few months’ time, you may have to choose between defying a lawless president or betraying your Constitutional oath. We write to assist you in thinking clearly about that choice. If Donald Trump refuses to leave office at the expiration of his constitutional term, the United States military must remove him by force, and you must give that order.

Due to a dangerous confluence of circumstances, the once-unthinkable scenario of authoritarian rule in the United States is now a very real possibility. First, as Mr. Trump faces near certain electoral defeat, he is vigorously undermining public confidence in our elections. Second, Mr. Trump’s defeat would result in his facing not merely political ignominy, but also criminal charges. Third, Mr. Trump is assembling a private army capable of thwarting not only the will of the electorate but also the capacities of ordinary law enforcement. When these forces collide on January 20, 2021, the U.S. military will be the only institution capable of upholding our Constitutional order.

There can be little doubt that Mr. Trump is facing electoral defeat. More than 160,000 Americans have died from COVID 19, and that toll is likely to rise to 300,000 by November. One in ten U.S. workers is unemployed, and the U.S. economy in the last quarter suffered the greatest contraction in its history. Nearly 70 percent of Americans believe the country is on the wrong track. The Economist estimates that Mr. Trump’s chances of losing the election stand at 91 percent.

Faced with these grim prospects, Mr. Trump has engaged in a systemic disinformation campaign to undermine public confidence in our elections. He has falsely claimed that mail-in voting is  “inaccurate and fraudulent.” He is actively sabotaging the U.S. Postal Service in an effort to delay and discredit mail-in votes. He has suggested delaying the 2020 election, despite lacking the authority to do so.

The stakes of the 2020 election are especially high for Mr. Trump; in defeat, he will likely face criminal prosecution. The Manhattan District Attorney is investigating the Trump Organization for possible bank and insurance fraud related to the overvaluation of financial assets. New York’s Attorney General is conducting similar investigations, having successfully subpoenaed Trump’s financial records from Deutsche Bank. Mr. Trump allegedly pressured the U.S. ambassador to Great Britain to pressure the British Government to move the British Open golf tournament to Trump Turnberry Resort in Scotland. This incident is but one of many examples of self-dealing that may lead to federal criminal charges against the president.

Given this dizzying array of threats not merely to his political prospects, but also his liberty and wealth, Mr. Trump is following the playbook of dictators throughout history: he is building a private army answerable only to him. When Caesar faced the prospect of a trial in Rome, he did not return to face his day in court. He unleashed an army personally loyal to him alone on the Roman government. No student of history, Mr. Trump nevertheless appears to be following Caesar’s example. The president’s use of militarized Homeland Security agents against domestic political demonstrations constitutes the creation of a paramilitary force unaccountable to the public. The members of this private army, often lacking police insignia or other identification, exist not to enforce the law but to intimidate the president’s political opponents.

These powerful crosscurrents—Mr. Trump’s electoral defeat, his assault on the integrity of our elections, his impending criminal prosecution, and his creation of a private army—will collide on January 20. Rather than accept the peaceful transfer of power that has been the hallmark of American democracy since its inception. Mr. Trump may refuse to leave office. He would likely offer as a fig leaf of legitimacy the shopworn lies about election fraud. Mr. Trump’s acolytes in right-wing media will certainly rush to repeat and amplify these lies, manufacturing sufficient evidence to provide a pretext of plausibility. America’s greatest Constitutional crisis since the Civil War will come about by a president who simply refuses to leave office.

[ … ]

At this moment of Constitutional crisis, only two options remain. Under the first, U.S. military forces escort the former president from the White House grounds. Trump’s little green men, so intimidating to lightly armed federal law enforcement agents, step aside and fade away, realizing they would not constitute a good morning’s work for a brigade of the 82nd Airborne. Under the second, the U.S. military remains inert while the Constitution dies. The succession of government is determined by extralegal violence between Trump’s private army and street protesters; Black Lives Matter Plaza becomes Tahrir Square.

As the senior military officer of the United States, the choice between these two options lies with you. In the Constitutional crisis described above, your duty is to give unambiguous orders directing U.S. military forces to support the Constitutional transfer of power. Should you remain silent, you will be complicit in a coup d’état. You were rightly criticized for your prior active complicity in the president’s use of force against peaceful protesters in Lafayette Square. Your passive complicity in an extralegal seizure of political power would be far worse.

Well now, consider yourself lectured by your self-righteous betters.  Isn’t this lovely?

Okay, so let’s get a few things out of the way.  First of all, I don’t usually like to lift prose out like this from other sources, at least not to this degree.  Sending traffic to the source is usually considered the respectful thing to do.

In this case I did it because I have no respect for either of the two authors or the publication.  I lifted enough prose for you to get the gist of this awful preening without sending traffic their way.  Second, I note that both authors were well-respected at the leftist website Small Wars Journal, in fact, in some cases heralded as heroes.

Third, they run in certain circles, from the Center for a New American Security (which gave Obama some of his folks), to Andrew Exum and others of their ilk.  I have no doubt they are pandering for a position in a new administration they are sure will be, come hell or high water.

With that said, consider what they’ve said and how logically problematic it is.  On the one hand, they swore an oath to the constitution of the U.S., but on the other hand take this deep dive into American politics to the point that they are advocating military intervention in the presidency.

On the one hand, they blame Covid on Trump, but on the other hand their own bureaucratic tools they find so charming, like Anthony Fauci, are the ones responsible for this mess for the very well-known reason of gain of function research on American tax dollars from Fauci’s own section at NIH (NIAID), dollars sent to the virology lab in Wuhan.

On the one hand, they blame Trump for the deaths because apparently he should have locked down America even further, and on the other hand, blame him for the loss of jobs that the lockdown entailed.

But the cognitive dissonance means nothing to them, apparently.  The rest of it is just drama, emotion and screeching, as if written by teenage girls in a High School civics class, suitable only for a D- grade in Freshman High School.  The worst part, of course, is that they want to deploy American forces against a president on the suspicion that he might have a standing army himself.

Good Lord.  What have these boys been smoking?  Their politics and utter hatred for Trump gets in the way of clear thinking.  They could not answer, for example, for Obama’s program Fast and Furious.  Remember that?  Where the ATF forced FFLs to illegally sell to traffickers to transport weapons across the Southern border in the hopes that they would be the catalyst for increased gun control in America?  And Holder and Obama both knew it.  And we’re not finished yet.  After that explosive episode of stupidity, they actually had the gall to prosecute that FFL for crimes, thing they forced the FFL to do.

They could not answer, for example, for Obama’s having weaponized the IRS against his political opponents, or intentionally leaving good men to perish in Benghazi, the lying that undergirded Obamacare, spying on journalists (e.g., James Rosen), Hillary’s secret server, the Solyndra scandal, Uranium One, or any other other massive problems of the Obama administration – because you see, they agreed with him politically, and they don’t agree with Trump.

This is what happens when presidents like Obama force officers out of the military and replace them with loyalists.  Perfumed princes indeed.

For me this has nothing to do with Trump.  As readers know, I’m not his biggest fan.  They wall isn’t built, immigration hasn’t slowed, bump stocks are illegal by the stroke of a president’s pen, red flag laws got much needed wind from him, and I could go on and on.

The problem this all points to is the use of former military rank to press politics.  This is a disgraceful, shameful, dishonorable, contemptible display of lack of scruples or values.  My son, who served honorably in OIF in hard combat in Fallujah earning his CAR, is a much better man by orders of magnitude.

Oh, and one more thing.  David Codrea asks, “Anybody see a “Comments” section over there?”  No, there isn’t.  Comments are open on my web site.  As I’ve said many times before, if you have a web site with no possibility of comments or feedback, or at least a way to reach out to the authors via email, the authors are cowards.


  1. On August 12, 2020 at 11:54 pm, George 1 said:

    Trump has been a disappointment no doubt. However much of his failure is due to people in various places in government fighting him and betraying him beyond anything we have seen previously. The FBI, DOJ, CIA and Military staged a coup against him and that coup is still ongoing. We have to question whether he is actually in charge of most of the government.
    These government elements, so far, have not attempted to take care of him kinetically but, given what we have seen, is that really off the table if their plans fail?

    We still have to be thankful that Trump seems to be adverse to getting us into another war. Is there any doubt that if Hillary had won we would be into a new war or three. So I will vote for Trump again. My rationale in doing so is that if elected he MAY give us up to four more years to prepare for the inevitable horrors that are coming. Then again he may not. I do believe that Biden/Harris will certainly bring those horrors to the front and center quite quickly and Patriots will have no more time to prepare or persuade.

    Just my opinion. Praying, for us all.

  2. On August 13, 2020 at 2:10 am, Unknownsailor said:

    All I expected out of Trump is someone who gives just as well as he gets.

    He does.

    That is enough, for me. I haven’t thought the country was fixable from within the system for a long time, and the election of a doctrinaire Marxist like Obama just sealed the deal for me.

    Like Billy Beck said in 2009, “All politics in this country now is just dress rehearsal for civil war.”

  3. On August 13, 2020 at 6:18 am, MSG Grumpy said:

    I find it quite odd that the very same people clutching pearls about something that has not in fact happened, and may never happen…

    Are the same ones guilty of the crime they are clutching their pearls about…

    Who are the ones who have refused to accept the results of elections? Lets start with 2000 and the cries and court battles that continued several months PAST that election…Then all of the elections since…any office won by a republican has been contested and sworn to be invalid.

    Then we have 2016, the election the demoncrats decided they had won before the first vote was cast…

    And our country has been under constant attack since the day that the demoncrats found out that the American people stole their victory.

    This is just the continuation of that spoiled temper tantrum. Unless and until the adults stand up to and defeat these criminals we will have four more years that are even worse than anything the demoncrats have done for the last 20 years.

    HOT TAR, Feathers, Abusive public servant (Some assembly REQUIRED)

    MSG Grumpy

  4. On August 13, 2020 at 7:09 am, s said:

    There is so much that is cringeworthy in that snippet, but there are several things that stuck out glaringly to me. It struck me as very presumptuous and arrogant. As MSG Grumpy noted, they are guilty of the very things for which they are certain that Trump will be guilty. It’s the old tactic of deflecting criticism from yourself by accusing your opponent of the very thing for which you are guilty. Also, it isn’t Trump that is undermining confidence in our electoral process. It’s them! They are the ones consistently embroiled in voter fraud. They are the ones that, come election time, mysteriously seem to find crates of uncounted ballots in some warehouse that always seem to turn an election in their favor. Deceased voters on the rolls, pushing to lower voting age, the on ongoing coup….I could go on.

    I’m certainly no fan of Trump, and I don’t put faith in any politician to save us from the mess we’re in. We don’t get to vote our way out. I hear the argument that if Trump is reelected it would give us four more years to prepare for the inevitable horrors down the road. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn’t be better to have it kick off sooner rather than later, while we still have the numbers advantage. The longer we wait, the more of us that die, and the more their numbers increase through immigration and demographic replacement. I often think their strategy is one of attrition and waiting until demographics tip the scales in their favor. They are a patient lot.

  5. On August 13, 2020 at 7:15 am, June J said:

    Two retired officers? If Trump was what they are saying he would recall both to active duty, then prosecute them under the UCMJ and send them to Gitmo never to be heard again.
    Two retired domestic enemies of the Constitution.

  6. On August 13, 2020 at 7:41 am, ragman said:

    All excellent comments! Now that Biden’s handlers have selected the fake “African American” we can expect a full court press from the usual Mainstream Media suspects. Any questioning of Kammy will be proclaimed a “racist sexist attack on a Woman of Color”. If, God forbid, Biden and Kammy get elected you can bet that useful idiots like this will be running the show.

  7. On August 13, 2020 at 8:06 am, Thomas said:

    I must have missed the “in ordinary times only” Clause of that particular oath.

  8. On August 13, 2020 at 8:14 am, Joe Blow said:

    Yes! YES! YESSSSS!!!!!
    As was said twice above, THEY ARE ACCUSING TRUMP (and anyone else for that matter) OF THE VERY CRIMES THEY HAVE, ARE, AND WILL COMMIT!!!
    They are telegraphing their playbook over the next 3 months.

    They will attempt to steal the election through fraud.
    They will not accept a loss/defeat at the polls.
    They will (have!) refuse to hand over power.
    They will plunge this country into bloody civil war.

    I don’t like hyperbole… but they must be purged from our midst.
    You can leave now, there are places on this world living like you wish to turn America into. Go there. You can’t have this place. This is our United States of America. If you don’t like America, don’t live here. We like it here, do not try to change our home.
    You have been warned

  9. On August 13, 2020 at 8:36 am, Bill Buppert said:

    America is too big to succeed at anything but tyranny as far as its central government but it was built that way. Surprisingly, Trump may very well be the least corrupt occupant of the Offal Office to ever haunt its corridors or else the tens of millions of man-hours to find something (anything) to pin on him would have stuck. Use your remaining time wisely.

    Per comments, you’ll note that The Atlantic with its NE blue-blood credentials and holier-than-thou reputation also brooks no comments and is nothing more than a gold-plated communist bullhorn.

    Per Comrade Nagl, he is a fraud and terrible historian. In “Learning to Eat soup With a Knife”, he fundamentally claims the British efforts in Malaya were superior to those of America in Vietnam. Both were severely flawed and doomed efforts. Think the British know COIN? Think again. As a counterpoint to this book, those who believe that the British Army was a learning organization ought to carefully read “Ministry of Defeat: The British in Iraq 2003-2009” by Richard North and Frank Ledwidge’s “Losing Small Wars: British Military Failure in the 9/11 Wars”. Whatever limited success they might have accomplished in 1950s colonial warfare was in spite of the regimental system, not because of it.

    The upside to all of this is that if things get spicy here in America, the establishment COINdinistas are in for a rude surprise when they ply their snake-oil trade in CONUS.

    And, indeed, Small Wars Journal is a government supremacist sewer.

  10. On August 13, 2020 at 9:27 am, Sheepdog said:

    These cats must be following the Rules for Radicals, TDS edition.

    Waste of ammo, piano wire and guillotines more suitable me thinks…

  11. On August 13, 2020 at 9:52 am, Longbow said:

    I stopped reading at “Mr. Trump faces near certain electoral defeat…”

    These people are delusional.

    My prediction (and this is as good as anyone else’s): Trump will win 40-45 states, even with electoral fraud padding the numbers for the DemonRats in nearly every State and district. The left will then truly go nuts. They have no idea about that for which they are asking. They never plan for second and third order effects.

    Fuckin’ bring it.

  12. On August 13, 2020 at 9:59 am, revjen45 said:

    According to all projections and polls President Clinton is running for re-election and heavily favored to win.
    Professor Helmut Norpoth gave Pres. Trump 87% chance of winning in 2016. He has correctly called 25 out of 27 elections. This time he gives Trump >90% chance of winning.
    So who will be the ones shrieking about electoral integrity when DJT wins again?

  13. On August 13, 2020 at 10:00 am, Fred said:

    I just don’t have time for this. The whole thing is nonsense upon a false premise. Listen carefully; the “trump intends to remain in office” meme is a ruse to justify the violence that the left is already using and will ramp up regardless of national elections. They left is pre-placing the idea of the need for violence to keep order.

    Did you get that? This isn’t the only source that is saying trump plans to stay in office. They are using this an excuse for their future violence all while supposing to be able to claim that the disorder they will inflict is necessary to the keeping of order, “peaceful transition of power”. The implications of this is stunning. It’s the precursor for a leftist police state to maintain order against the right because, according them, the people who just want to be left alone, are the ones causing all of the disruption. Groundwork for the necessity of the camps for you and your family.

  14. On August 13, 2020 at 10:12 am, Fred said:

    Oh and I forgot; “ordinary times?” what a hoot. The southern border is wide open with an invasion decades underway, and a commie revolution visible in the streets. These are not normal times. The use of that term is to continue to normalize your mind to the status quo that the commie Democrat/Republican establishment has created; that a people can exist while being overrun by outsiders and if they will just bow down they will not be sent to the camps.

    When the war is over we won’t have extended show trials and prisons for the people like these authors. They witness against themselves before Holy God. Justice will be swift, and eternal.

  15. On August 13, 2020 at 10:13 am, billrla said:

    Jonathan Swift could not have done a better job. The only thing these two guys left out is the part about Trump selling small children to the Deplorables to be eaten as food, “whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled…” as the great satirist wrote.

  16. On August 13, 2020 at 12:02 pm, Bad_Brad said:

    I need to say something about the negative things I’m hearing here about Trump. First of all let me say I don’t think I’d enjoy the mans company. I wouldn’t want to have dinner or share drinks with the guy. I hated him, until he ran for President. He’s being fought tooth and nail. Not only by the Libtards but by the Globalist scum who think they are some how entitled to OUR money. Trumps racked up a lot of victories and accomplishments that seem to go unnoticed. I could go on and on but the most important thing everyone overlooks is what he’s doing to the Judiciary. Which will be a huge impact FOR YOUR GUNS long after he’s gone. And why it’s so important he get another four years. Consider the alternative. And not voting is just as bad as voting for Biden and Kammy. Who will have your favorite firearms in short order. Trump a disappointment? Hardly

  17. On August 13, 2020 at 12:55 pm, Randolph Scott said:

    I think that everyone in the USA should know much much more about the two son’s of bitches. Everyone in the USA needs to know where they live, what they drive, where they go, where they shop, where they drink, what they drive and every other facet of their lives. We demand to see their bank accounts.

    The general public should then take the time to think about how criminal evil these two bastards are and act accordingly. Everything these traitorous bastards accused President Trump of is exactly what they have been doing and continue to do. They are traitors and seditionists. They need to receive the penalty for these types of crimes applied to themselves.

  18. On August 13, 2020 at 1:03 pm, Fred said:

    @Brad, “And not voting is just as bad as voting for Biden and Kammy.”

    This is a logical fallacy.

  19. On August 13, 2020 at 1:26 pm, Bad_Brad said:


    Not when you consider the amount of dead people that are about to vote. Or the vote harvesting. Voter fraud will be on steroids. Ask the gun owners in Virginia how sitting on their hands worked out.

  20. On August 13, 2020 at 2:01 pm, Fred said:

    ‘because the other side (of same coin) uses fraud’ is not a case for trump.

  21. On August 13, 2020 at 2:45 pm, Ned2 said:

    Those who don’t vote for Trump deserve the marxist utopia as much as the marxists do.
    We’re probably not voting our way out of this, but sticking your nose up at Trump because he’s “icky” is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
    Doing nothing makes you complicit.

  22. On August 13, 2020 at 3:15 pm, Fred said:

    Wow @Ned2, icky? That’s it. that’s my reason?

    The first time the joke was on them. You elect him again and the joke is on you.

    Trump is a gun controller. All gun controllers want control of you. They want, ultimately, control over whether you live or die. This is a grave wickedness of the heart, sin. Only God appoints the number of the days of a man. “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” Hebrews 9:27

    For this and many other reasons, I will not vote for trump. These are my not yet inclusive or fully developed reasons:

    Trump cussed God twice at an official rally while president of America. God will not be mocked. A President or king does not simply cuss Holy God and have his nation continue uncontested by God. That’s not how God works at all. God will not be mocked. Your vote is meaningless. Judgement is here or the Bible is a lie, as best I can tell.

    Add trumps tax policy which is driving libs out of high tax states into the low/zero tax states. That’s right. This is trumps internal migration policy through tax codes so you be overrun with liberal hoards.

    As to external migration: borders are still wide open.

    His promotion of Extreme Risk Protection orders, known as Red Flag laws, is a violation of civil rights under 18 U.S. Code Chapter 13 – § 241 Conspiracy against rights and – § 242 Deprivation of rights under color of law. These Red Flag laws overturn more than four centuries of American jurisprudence by effectively nullifying the 6th Amendment, the 5th Amendment, the 4th Amendment, and the 2nd Amendment and where federal agents would conduct such acts as a Red Flag raid they would violate the 10th Amendment as well. These laws replace due process with ‘A’ process. Trump should be immediately arrested and impeached for the crime of conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States of America.

    And we have the Veterans 2A protection act that Mr. Trump instituted. It’s administrative Red Flagging of veterans.

    And his most recent statements: “they are talking about shutting everything down, but I shouldn’t talk about that.” Later: “It’s going to be a whole new world.”
    Well who, exactly, are they? And by that second statement he must be at least partially knowledgeable of the global communist takeover now well underway to be reset into a technocratic prison planet.

    And that’s only the tip of the iceberg. There’s more. Much more, all backed by scripture references with quotes by trump and staff and policy examples with results. Go ahead, vote at the problem. Your participation is necessary to your enslavement anyway.

  23. On August 13, 2020 at 3:24 pm, Fred said:

    One more:
    And his military commanders continue in the plan to make the military an inclusive cesspit of devils, sodomites, perverts, freaks, and women in combat roles. This is all sin against Holy God. The us military will be completely useless by the time Trump is done with it.

  24. On August 13, 2020 at 3:29 pm, Bad_Brad said:

    Sounds like Joe Biden is your guy.

  25. On August 13, 2020 at 3:39 pm, Fred said:

    Jesus is my guy.

  26. On August 13, 2020 at 8:06 pm, Ned2 said:

    Jesus isn’t running for President.

  27. On August 13, 2020 at 8:22 pm, Foot in the Forest said:

    Fred I agree with you on “THE DONALD.” And I will still vote for him. WHY you ask, the same as 2016. I am selfish, I would prefer the lesser SATAN and maybe what will be, won’t. I know a very faint hope but sometimes that is all we have. In the end it will not matter. The Demoncrats sat on their collective asses in2016 and hardly cheated at all expecting victory to be handed to them. This time they are pulling out all the stops. Cheat, win, and fire up the fema trains for all of us on the Deplorable lists. Cheat lose and start the Marxist revolution. I am afraid of the coming judgement, I am a man and can not help wishing for things to stay stable and avoid the judgement. In my heart I know this is not possible and have been preparing for a long time. For all that read this it is time to get right with God or whatever you believe in, even an atheist has some beliefs. I have known the probably outcome for me for a very long time. I have been told that it is not set in stone and who knows I have been very blessed in the past. To those that much has been given much is expected. If it is worst case i hope to take HORDES of them before i go. FOOT

  28. On August 13, 2020 at 8:25 pm, Old Mike said:

    Note both of these birds cashed out without receiving the bird. Lotta bitter, retired LCs living in the burbs. It was probably their whiney, s–t attitudes that saw them passed over in the first place. Glad I’m outta here soon. Too many effeminate men and masculine woman to suit me.

  29. On August 13, 2020 at 8:47 pm, CK Bristol said:

    If this were to happen, I’m sure both would be shot in their heads. One lives in Colorado and the other in Virginia and Pennsylvania.

  30. On August 13, 2020 at 9:43 pm, Grandpa said:

    Ltitle known fact about Trump – but one you will understand, if you already know that despite his failings and shortcomings, Donald Trump LOVES this country. To him, “loving his country” are not just words.
    Now, back at the end of the Gulf war (the first one) in February 1991, after utilizing our impressive airlift and sealift capacity to get a shit ton of men and materials to the Gulf; we had “issues” in getting the boys home. Easter was coming soon; and our soldiers wanted to get home asap. Well, the government made excuses, not progress… and then, unasked, unheralded, and unpublicized; guess who stepped up? Remember those big ass 747s that said “Trump” on the sides? Yeah, those. Trump provided aircraft and crews; made ‘the deal’ that the government would pay for the fuel – and sent his aircraft to bring our soldiers home. No publicity, no fanfare, just a patriotic American doing what he could to help our soldiers.
    So, the next time someone disparages Trump as… well, any and all of the negatives we hear every day; tell them politely but sternly to quit talking out of their ass about things they know nothing about. Or, just tell them to shut the hell up.

  31. On August 13, 2020 at 10:07 pm, Lndroll said:

    Regards CK Bristol’s comment. Sometimes I feel the lefties are playing whack-a-mole and think nobody is keeping track of where their heads pop up. Likewise we out here should take heed and watch what we write. OPSEC and all that.

  32. On August 13, 2020 at 10:31 pm, Hmm so Hmm said:

    Wasn’t there some lefty pundit editorial about the military removing Trump online recently?
    It was at a true believer Jonestown comrades CPUSA Kool-Aid page but it was listed at the aggregator.

  33. On August 13, 2020 at 10:46 pm, Chris said:

    This isn’t a ‘letter’ to anyone. They are just a couple of dogs pissing on the sidewalk, marking out their hate-Trump cred so they can be well-positioned for the next administration, and the doubtless 6-figure do-nothing sinecures that will come with it.
    Perhaps they hope to get in on the looting of Russia, or Belarus. The Bidens have pretty much cleaned up in Ukraine. And of course the drug cartels with the FBI… oops, sorry you didn’t read that…

  34. On August 13, 2020 at 10:55 pm, Herschel Smith said:


    Yea well, I allowed for that possibility in my post. Maybe Andrew Exum wants a position too.

  35. On August 14, 2020 at 2:13 am, Don said:

    Fred posted some good reasons not to vote for Trump; here are a few more:
    1. Adultery. I never voted for Ronnie Raygun because of his infidelity and divorce. Trump takes this to a new level with his current playmate.(I won’t dignify the bimbo by calling her his wife)
    2. Reimposing sanctions on Iran, which cost Boeing and other companies a lot of money, and a lot of jobs.
    3. His support for H1-Bs and other immigrant workers at the expense of American workers. He says that he’s going to curb this, but he never does. I get requests for money often from the Repubs, and I tell them to ask the Indian engineers for money, not me.
    4. Trump tried to block per-diem writeoffs for those of us who work on the road. Congress wouldn’t let him, thankfully.
    5. Bump stock ban. I’m convinced that if re-elected, Trump will sign an EO on 21-Jan-2021 declaring the 2nd Amendment null and void. His support for “Sharp Dresser” Wayne LaPierre is another negative.
    For those reasons, and more, I’m going to hold my nose and vote for Joe Biden this fall. I know a lot of contract engineering people, having been on the road as first a designer and now an engineer since the early 1980s. Very few of us support this buffoon, and I doubt that he will get more than 10 percent of the engineering community vote.

  36. On August 14, 2020 at 5:03 am, Hudson H Luce said:

    “I’m going to hold my nose and vote for Joe Biden this fall.”

    No, you’re not, you’re going to hold your nose and vote for Kamala Harris.

    Because that’s who’s going to be setting policy, and I can guarantee you you won’t like it. And she’ll bring many more of her countrymen from India – she regards it as her second home – on H1B visas, many more than Trump would, and your dumb ass will be out on the street along with your fellow engineers. As to personal morals and ethics, she’s no catch, by any means.

    And, dollars to donuts, she’ll be President before Biden’s term is up. And she’s a big friend of Hillary Clinton, who has volunteered her services to a Biden Administration – and Hillary knows the ropes, well enough to hang a lot of people, which she *will* do, no more bodies rolled up in carpets in Rock Creek Park…

    So just think about that.

  37. On August 14, 2020 at 6:18 am, Chad C. Mulligan said:

    She’ll just be signing off on policy. Policy will be MADE by the same crypto-Marxists that ran Teh Halfrican for eight years.

    Trump’s accomplishments in under four years are too many to list. Largely in such unglamorous fields as regulation rollbacks and lower-court judges. No, the southern border isn’t locked like a vault, but there are no more caravans from central America, numbers apprehended are WAY down, he just won a SCOTUS decision allowing immediate deportations, virtually ending the Obama catch-and-release policy.

    If you think otherwise you are suffering from severe rectocranial inversion.

  38. On August 14, 2020 at 8:47 am, Fred said:

    @Foot, I understand your position and remain against. thank you
    @Don, yep and there’s even more that. Don’t forget support for abortion. Thanks.

    Now before I get accused of highjacking this thread I’m out. But will add, All power in heaven and earth has been given Jesus Christ. He is the Judge. I’ve sided with the Judge. If America doesn’t’ side with the Judge, and although guilty and deserving of eternal damnation and death, throw herself on the mercy of the court, admit guilt, and ask for forgiveness, mercy from the Judge which is only one who can forgive, then best as I can reckon she will be judged into the dustbin of history. I can’t, in good conscience participate in the coming election. To do so would to be a party to a lie before Holy God.

    It is a logical fallacy and a mathematical impossibility that not voting hurts a candidate. It doesn’t hurt either side if somebody doesn’t vote. Only an odd number of votes applied harms one side over the other. This is a mathematical fact. Zero, applied, is not an odd number. People are just mad that I’m not in the; government will save us from the mass murdering government any minute now cult.

  39. On August 14, 2020 at 8:51 am, June J said:

    “I’m going to hold my nose and vote for Joe Biden this fall.”

    So you’re voting for the accelerated destruction of the country instead of holding it off for as long as possible.

    Squishy people who hold their morals like crowns on their heads make me sick. You are no better than elected Republicans who hold dear to their rules and traditions while the Democrats punch them in the face and kick them in the groin.

  40. On August 14, 2020 at 9:13 am, bc3b said:

    “As I’ve said many times before, if you have a web site with no possibility of comments or feedback, or at least a way to reach out to the authors via email, the authors are cowards.”

    Take a look at liberal websites and you’ll find very few have comments sections. CNN, the Daily Beast, NBC News, CBS News, National Journal, MSN News, Yahoo News all have shut down comments because many of the commenters did not agree with the “party line.”

  41. On August 14, 2020 at 9:19 am, bc3b said:

    One of the greatest disappointments in my life came when I joined the Air Force. I had always believed that career officers were patriots serving their country. What I discovered was that many ( hardly all) were highly political people, staying in the Air Force because it’s a pretty easy life and far more rewarding for people with marginal intelligence.

  42. On August 14, 2020 at 10:04 am, Tim Lynch said:

    T.R. Fehrenbach wrote that the United States was “a country grown so great even fools can not destroy her”. Sometimes you have to wonder though.

  43. On August 14, 2020 at 11:51 am, Brad Foster said:

    Codrea has lost his reality focus. Trump has obeyed, followed, supported the law more than any president since Reagan. We the people can not allow ourselves to be misled, intentionally misdirected, buffaloed, bs’d, by the communist revolutionary democrat useful idiots with no cause and effect genes. Source all reactionary comments; which didn’t happen with this article. Own the language! Attention to detail! Automatically reject, and eject, any and all communist democrat fake news deep state words, terms, definitions, and explanations. Now get back on track!

  44. On August 14, 2020 at 12:02 pm, Bad_Brad said:


    You must work in an Engineering Community in China. I’m own a Precision Machine shop that specializes in Aerospace and Defense work. We work with a ton of Engineering groups. I honestly can’t think of one engineering contact I have that isn’t totally stoked with Trump. Why? Because he had the balls to confront China and put them in their place. Guard are intellectual property. There’s a reason their top line fighter looks just like our F35.
    I read down your list and I swear you’ve confused Biden with Trump.

  45. On August 14, 2020 at 12:17 pm, Vince said:

    Thanks for posting this drivel. If nothing else it is a peek into the mind of the hard left in America today. They have already decided that Trump will lose by a handy margin. It might be wise to consider what might happen in or to the minds of people like this should Trump win again by any margin. The smaller the margin probably more vigorous the response from such as these authors. If, like me, you are trapped behind enemy lines, be fully prepared to watch and protect your 6. Mark those around you likely to become physically violent should Trump win in Nov. However, unless you know someone very very well do not mark them as ‘safe’. Interesting times indeed.

  46. On August 14, 2020 at 12:45 pm, Bad_Brad said:

    The 9th circuit just struck down California’s Large (Normal) Capacity Mag Ban. Donald Trump is directly responsible for this.

  47. On August 14, 2020 at 1:17 pm, Herschel Smith said:

    @Brad Foster,

    No one knows what you’re talking about.

  48. On August 14, 2020 at 1:55 pm, Henry said:

    I suspect Brad Foster believes that the letter to Gen. Milley was WRITTEN by Codrea.

  49. On August 14, 2020 at 2:07 pm, Herschel Smith said:


    How can that possibly be? Indent? Quote and link available?

  50. On August 14, 2020 at 6:18 pm, D. Cleveland said:

    For Don & Fred: You guys talk about God as if you know His will. Only presumptous fools think they know Gods Plan. Through out the Bible there are instances of God using sinful kings and rulers of men, to effect His will. Look it up, or if you really are all that familiar with the Bible you already know of the passages of which I speak. If you are offended by my words – put on your big boy pants and cope with it.

    And, as far as engineers go, I’ve been an engineer for forty years now; Houston, N’Orleans, Atlanta, N. Dakota, and a dozen other states and locales. I know dozens of engineers of all disciplines; every engineer I know is going to vote for Trump; because not voting for Trump is the same as voting for the Communist Democrats. And Trump, with his Executive Orders, has at least taken the first step in blowing out the H1B crime syndicate; you can’t say what he might do if elected again – you don’t know – I don’t know either, but that’s more than anyone else has every done to date on that subject. I can only have faith that God has the correct answer. Come Nov 4 – there’s every chance we’ll have front row seats to the next civil bloodletting of biblical proportion.

    Best Regards and God Bless
    Dwain Cleveland

  51. On August 14, 2020 at 6:47 pm, Scott in Phx said:

    “I’m convinced that if re-elected, Trump will sign an EO on 21-Jan-2021 declaring the 2nd Amendment null and void.”
    You have seen the Dem gun control proposals right?
    You are going to fantasize about Trump signing and EO to nullify the 2A and ignore Joes’ plans.

  52. On August 14, 2020 at 8:00 pm, John said:

    The authors are working for the “Department Of The Indefensable” as established by BO.

  53. On August 14, 2020 at 10:16 pm, Sheepdog said:

    Well I hate to poop on the party but…

    I did see President Trump sitting next to Senator Fineshteeh saying “first we’ll take the guns, then we’ll have due process” after some false flag production.

    I wonder what the reaction would have been had Barry O had signaled and condoned the red flag laws growing like a cancer across the Republic? Bet it wouldn’t the near silence seen under this administration.

    And finally the bump stock ban, a reaction to the Vegas False Flag production that was comprised of completely impossible things like 800lbs of guns and ammunition just walked into a tightly monitored gambling installation, huge glass windows removed by a slight, lone individual, etc., etc. The bump stock on the AR equipped with the bi-pod was icing on the cake. Mix in some clintonesque witness murders too. Made me reminisce of Seth Rich laying in an alley with holes in his back with all his belongings intact, victim of a “robbery”… yea ok.

    I want to believe but I don’t wear blinders…

    Where is that Paki IT guy anyway?

  54. On August 14, 2020 at 10:42 pm, Sheepdog said:

    And I almost forgot to mention…

    Hitlery got out of testifying today without as much as whimper from the President who while campaigning relentlessly said “Lock Her Up”.

    I guess it was all for show…

  55. On August 15, 2020 at 3:41 am, james said:

    Sheepdog, what do you expect Trump to do? He doesn’t control the judicial branch. There is a limit to his power.

  56. On August 15, 2020 at 4:04 am, Henry said:

    @Herschel: No, I simply suspect he misunderstood “Via” at the top of the article.

  57. On August 15, 2020 at 8:19 am, David Codrea said:

    @Henry: “Own the language! Attention to detail!”

  58. On August 15, 2020 at 12:58 pm, Sheepdog said:


    I expect the President to call out such travesties of justice. I wholeheartedly agree he does not control the judiciary, but he can follow up his campaign rhetoric by stating the obvious double standard.

    We are no longer a nation of law but of evil men and women. I expect this President, who campaigned on “draining the swamp” to point out this out EVERY DAMN DAY!

  59. On August 16, 2020 at 7:09 pm, Baja said:

    Absolutely right Sheepdog, boils down to sons of light vs others
    America is great because she is good….. that’s been a while….
    Morality does matter….even if it costs, remember one will pay either way….

    General Flynn still looking for Justice…… pray in earnest,
    God Bless

  60. On August 17, 2020 at 7:11 am, Fr. John+ said:

    “Sometimes I feel the lefties are playing whack-a-mole and think nobody is keeping track of where their heads pop up.”

    NEVER forget, NEVER forgive. Revenge is the Lord’s- but WE are the Lord’s hands…

    And as for False Fred claiming to follow Christ, Until REAL Christians (not those faux Prot schismatic heretics) rise up to re-instate an autocratic, Mono-racial (Because commandments against Adulteration) explicitly Christian MONARCHY, outlawing Jews, Sodomites, Abortion, Feminists (and other denizens of Hell) appears, I’m voting Trump again. Not voting IS voting. Duh.

    Even Bonhoeffer (the liberal, de-racinated ‘N-word’ lover, hater of his own race and lawfully elected Leader) knew that- “Silence in the face of evil it itself evil:God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak; not to act, is to act.” – D. Bonhoeffer

    Because the Whore of Babylon’s sister (Jezebel Harris) IS definitely WORSE by an order of magnitude (she’s a freakin’ HINDOO- and is married to a godless JEW!), than a bumbling Anglo with a Catholic wife-

    (By the way, DJT is sanctified by this marriage, as it was the only marriage done in a sacramental (Episcopal) Church, and she is a practicing Catholic (at least given the implicit nature of both Anglican and Roman sacramental constructs of Marriage, compared to the civil ceremonies of his first liaisons)

    the only choice is clear. A vote for Biden is a vote for ANTICHRIST.
    A vote for Trump is merely a vote for a fool- but one who at least loves this nation, for all her faults.

    You state: “I can’t, in good conscience participate in the coming election. To do so would to be a party to a lie before Holy God.”

    WE’RE ALREADY being judged by God- including you and I! – or haven’t you noticed!?!?!?!? (COVID,BLM,masks, lockdowns, destruction of all civil liberties, ‘rulers’ that are antichrists- PELOSI, SCHUMER, et al. And then there’s the lies, perversions, and obfuscations- RUSSIAGATE, ABORTION, SODOMY, etc.)

    And you think YOU are going to come away clean from this morass of SHITE!?
    Have you ever read Isaiah, Jeremiah, or any of the other Prophets. A nation DESERVES the ruler she gets… but one can at least choose between Ahab and Jehoshaphat!? An elect nation on the way to apostasy, STILL HAS WIGGLE ROOM- until it doesn’t. But, in all truth, Fred, WHO really is to blame? The ‘Bah-bull believing apostates of the DTS heresy known as Dispensationalism/Baptist ecclesiology, that’s who!

    ALL of it can be laid at the feet of the Protestant nation that gave us Eurosodom- nurtured by Falwell et al. and the ‘moral majority’ forty years ago, via the ‘American Experiment’!!!

    So, no Fred. You have no leg to stand on, except for a faux morality that merely talks about faith, but (in typical gnostic Prot fashion) doesn’t incarnate that faith in seeing your duty, and NOT doing it.

  61. On August 17, 2020 at 7:20 am, Fred said:

    So my duty to God is to vote DJT. You sound like john hagee.

  62. On August 17, 2020 at 8:31 am, Fr. John+ said:

    Again, Fred, like most fools [Pr. 26:4-5] you jump to conclusions when you cannot rationally answer an honest critique.

    Look at this Hindoo/Jew WHORE’s face. LOOK AT IT. And then tell me, she is better than DJT.
    I dare you.

  63. On August 17, 2020 at 10:08 am, Fred said:

    Denying that you are a party to a contract is not the same as acknowledging that the contract was made void by the other party(s), and therefore you now have no duty to it.

    The right position is; THEY did this, they broke the covenant, this is their fault, they are the ones that are making war on us and our way of life. This manner is an appeal to God for His justice.

  64. On September 6, 2020 at 1:10 pm, Stephen Mansfield said:

    I’ve had quite enough of these high ranking and former high ranking officer pricks that think that they can rely on their military service to give them a pass on behavior that is vile and anything BUT honorable! The moment they start calling on the military to remove a president in the middle of a soft coup d’etat they’ve crossed into advocating toward a violent one. At this point they’ve forfeited any respect that I would have had for their military service insomuch as they have dishonored us – not just President Trump – ALL OF US PATRIOTS ON THE WORLD STAGE! Same goes for so of them including Vindman, Kelly, Mattis, McCain, etc, etc.

    I think that the head of the JCS should pen an open response to that rubbish first “fact checking” them so the term the left likes to use, followed by a sharp dressing down of its authors and their unforgivable treachery in a time when treachery and anti-Americanism seems all the rage! As far as I’m concerned, John Nagl, Paul Yingling, and the ownership and editing staff at “Defense one” can go straight to hell!

    PS: The wall is being built Cap’n, many miles finished despite the evil-doers in MSM, the left, Hollywood elites, activist judges, the Catholic Church, NGOs, etc etc etc. opposing it at EVERY juncture! Cross that one off the list. Sadly to me, the fact that planned parenthood is still being funded is a promise not kept.

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