Unless Hiring Standards Are Changed, It’s Not Clear It’s Even Possible To Rid The Police Of Problems
BY Herschel Smith
10 months, 3 weeks ago
Witness this first incident. It was clear from the beginning that the man wasn’t carrying a firearm. I’ll also make another observation. This is one good reason why open carry should have been passed by the controller pols in Florida – return the right to openly carry a firearm and the idiot wouldn’t have had a reason to conduct the stop to begin with.
But on to the incident. Fat boy got upset that the female cop didn’t get what she wanted out of the man, and so fabricated some unreasonable justification out of whole cloth to arrest him. It was a capricious arrest, and they lacked the authority to do it.
The female cop, on the other hand, was a “mean girl,” or got bullied by mean girls in school, and takes it out on everyone she meets, I estimate. She is carried away with her authority.
But here is the problem. They will be retrained, they lost a few days without pay, and fat boy was demoted. But other than that, there is nothing learned from this. The Sheriff said they didn’t rely on their training. That’s of course incorrect, as they know the law and where the lines are. They just don’t care. Without a change in hiring practices to emphasize moral virtue above all else, this will continue across the country, which means no one will have any respect for cops by the time this is all over.
Also witness in the second incident that the cops lied under oath. You know that’s what happened. There isn’t a cop in America who doesn’t understand “Terry Stop” and the limits on their authority to detain and arrest. They just both lied and got away with it, again pointing to the lack of moral virtue in these people.
On June 15, 2023 at 10:43 pm, george 1 said:
The Deputies “Committed policy violations” according to the Sheriff. Policy violations?
Let’s see. 1. Unlawful detention, a crime. 2. Unlawful arrest, a crime. 3. Kidnapping, a crime. 4. Lying on a PC affidavit, a crime. 5. Violation of a person’s civil rights under color of law, a crime. Most of which are felonies.
So I guess the Sheriff is correct insofar as crimes by his deputies, I assume, are a violation of Sheriffs Office policies.
On June 15, 2023 at 11:03 pm, george 1 said:
Regarding the second video. Most large police agencies in the U.S. require periodic 4th Amendment training as well as legal updates and reviews of court decisions as they apply to their agencies.
It would not be too difficult to document that those two were likely lying by reviewing their training certificates for the periodic certifications that are required.
On June 16, 2023 at 12:08 am, Indian Ocean High Speed Rail said:
There was a sheriff in FLA that had a crime is terrorism campaign poster.
Most of the signs got defaced and he lost.
The police training is a problem as well.
Trained up as an occupation force means that they will act like an enemy army.
Marvel is set to cancel the Punisher, I’m sure donut molester minions are heartbroken at this comics are for children development.
On June 16, 2023 at 4:03 am, Rick said:
Abbott & Costello were intended as comedic entertainment, not as guidelines for officer conduct under oath.
Herschel mentions changes in hiring standards. The statement from the Sheriff in the first video makes evident such changes would apply to the top brass as well.
Notice how the Sheriff confines his statement only to ‘policy violations’. Not mentioned are the multiple violations of constitutionally protected civil rights.
I surmise this was crafted to downplay the event in order to protect the deputies. As the Sheriff is likely in an elected position, are there not laws which govern his position which are above those which apply to non-elected deputies?
On June 16, 2023 at 9:12 am, Dirk said:
Absolute bullshit, once the deputy identified the device as other than a firearm, this contact should have been over. Few years back a group of LEO supervisors, were trying to better nderstand exactly where the failure in Police hiring practices went wrong.
My observation was simple, I’d observed what I believe to be a major contributing factor to chicken shit police officers.
Twenty years ago, “ maybe more”, police hiring was physically removed from the actual agency, the people doing the work. Human Resources seized the hiring duties from the men and woman doing the police work.
That single change was night and day different. My observation after sitting on many hiring testing boards was simply this. The people doing the work know exactly what skills sets should be incorporated in the people being hired.
HR had pretty much gone to the developed psyilogical testing done by groups outside the city county and state. Once the specific agency’s gave up the police hiring police, I saw a metric ton of bad apple police officers, I say visible traits demonstrated by these applicants not in any communities best interests.
I especially saw incredibly poor lapse n judgement in the candidates social media issues written by these candidates.
It’s always interested me, how a candidate conducted himself during the actual interviews. They know when they’re present they’re being observed closely for physical and physiological traits that may present a glimpse into their true nature.
What I wanted to observe was the candidates un observed activity when he/she wasn’t under the magnifying glass. A much truer glimpse into how a candidate conducted their lives.
What always bothered me was the unwillingness of police admin to not fight for truly high caliber candidates. I also noted that Police Departments men whom worked at the pleasure of a city manager, or city council never pushed or tried to solve this obvious issue.
On the other hand I did observe many elected sheriffs fight for and outright reject candidates selected by HR, while a simple thing called sheriffs or chiefs interview was developed often specifically to weed out the knuckleheads HR sent over as eligible for employment.
At least in smaller agency’s hiring is again being done by the street level men and women hired by street cops, whom have developed the street survival investigator skills to recognize those suitable for police work.
I’d be the first to say it’s not bullet proof, but from this old road dog, I recognize this simple change as a step in the right direction.
Law enforcement standards have been collapsing for thirty years, any agency is only as good as the folks they hire to protect the communities citizens.
Quotas, etc etc have only led to piss poor candidates, whom arrived with marginal life skills.
To be a decent cop, one must have a foundation in fairness etc.
Most do not realize this but something called “ The Reasonable Man Doctrine” is critical in day to day life, but must be weighed at every call for service a policeman responds to originates
That doctrine is the foundation of organized life.
Dirk
On June 16, 2023 at 3:52 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
The solution to fixing what ails our institutions, whether the police, politics & government, or whatever it may be – isn’t going to be top-down. It is going to have to be bottom-up, starting at the individual level. Many of our problems are institutional and structural, it is true – but those can’t be fixed by a corrupt culture and the people who inhabit it. The following applies:
“Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean.” Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
On June 16, 2023 at 5:40 pm, Paul B said:
Where is MattDillion when you need him. Course he did shoot a lot of mistreats but he was pretty fair overall.
This bunch should not be in uniform.
HR has destroyed more than they have helped.
On June 17, 2023 at 8:56 am, Bobsuruncle said:
When politicians break the law its just politics (Trump also). No one goes to jail, unless they bucked the status quo.
When law enforcement (of which i spent years in) breaks the law, its a policy or training issue. We just make statements about how we fixed it. No one goes to jail, hardly ever. Learn how to articulate your actions or use of force better on your reports and dont get caught on camera.
When the US military (of which i spent many years in) commits crimes, like droning innocent people, its another policy issue, not a war crime. We hand them cash for our crimes. Or, when other crimes are committed, especially when the IG gets involved, the military circles the wagons and makes the victim, or whistleblower the problem and they brush it under the rug and go after the victim or whistleblower. Lived it.
Are you all Seeing a pattern why you need to remove your consent and participation as much as possible from this corrupt system on every level? If you arent finding all legal and lawful ways to pay as little taxes as legally possible, you dont understand the problem. Voting is worthless, even locally. Taxes fund their criminality. Stop or control the the funding, you’re the funder!
On June 17, 2023 at 11:50 pm, Dan said:
This is the kind of mentality the people in power WANT. They don’t want intelligent honest officers concerned with people’s rights. They want low brow window lickers who will do what they are told…and if they screw up they get a paid vacation till the public anger goes away and a new distraction arrives. This is EXACTLY the type of people and conduct they select FOR when they hire their paid thugs.
On June 21, 2023 at 12:51 pm, Longbow said:
Quote:” They just don’t care.”
What did you…?
I can’t believe you’d say such a…
Now, I just don’t wanna believe that!
Hell, don’t you know… over worked… under paid… not respected… dangerous job… thin blue line… and Kryptonite!