Do Gun Bans Reduce Violent Crime? Ask the Aussies and Brits

BY Glen Tschirgi
4 years, 8 months ago

(H/T Instapundit)

Nothing original to add here, but this posting I picked up from Instapundit is well worth passing along, particularly in light of the typical, knee-jerk, Statist reactions to the horrific Aurora CO shootings:

Actually, if the Australian Bureau of Criminology can be believed, Americans would be insane to concern themselves with what non-Americans think about American gun rights.

In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States — where no gun-ban exists — both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

So, if the USA follows Australia’s lead in banning guns, it should expect a 42 percent increase in violent crime, a higher percentage of murders committed with a gun, and three times more rape. One wonders if Freddy even bothered to look up the relative crime statistics.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn’t even make the “top 10” list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Now all this statistical and factual information isn’t going to mean anything to Lefty’s and Statists, but it is always good to know that reality backs up the conservative position on gun rights and the 2nd Amendment. 

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burkbraun
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You got it.. the intended effects are broader than short-term crime drops. Apparently in Australia, most guns used to commit crimes were unregistered. This means that better ways to restrict guns from getting out into the unregistered pool of firearms would, over time, reduce this source of criminal power/violence. That means less gun sales from the US as well to countries like Mexico, incidentally. Also, one has to ask why any firearm with semi or fully automatic fire (i.e. a machine gun) should be available for civilian use. These are weapons of warfare, and like other warfare weapons- artillary, mines, bombs, etc. should not be in the hands of civilians. I certainly don’t want them there. Such bans are conducive to community safety, as are bans on open carry. Like the broken windows theory, a populace running around with weapons invites use of those weapons (for suicide, if nothing else, as the Australians document). As you folks document so extensively, even credentialled officers of the law have a hard enough time keeping their muzzles pointed in the right direction. We don’t need loose civilian cannons/shooters about. I am sure you fantasize that the Aurora theater would have turned into a… Read more »
xBURNxFOREVERx
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Did you even really read the article at all … if you enjoy those actions and laws so well then move over there and live happliy ever after; because apparently you DO NOT belong in America.
The guns are NOT going anywhere, ANYWHERE, they can try, n try, n try, n TRY, AND TRY … but my AR, AK, and Vepr are NOT going anywhere. Please don’t give me that crap about being a republican, gun nutt, or righty bullshit I am what you would consider a “classical liberal” when liberal actually stood for something (FREEDOM FOR EVERYONE, not just a few) BURK, you are a douche’ and you are WAY WRONG (or a troll, probably just a Troll) deal with it -xBURNx

eritas
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Is there a name for your condition? Are you aware that semi automatic weapons have been around since at least 1840? One sees the vast increase in violence in the UK and Austrialia while the Marxists tell us thats the price you must pay. LOL.
They always seem to ignore those murder hot spots Switzerland, Norway and Finland that mandate that all males are armed with fully automatic weapons. We contrast this with those cathedral like cities where tough gun laws reaign, Detroit, NYC, Chicago, St. Louis, New Orleans, Camden, Gary. Flint.
Remember gun free zones save lives. So you Burk, post it on your home, opennly and proudly.

Kursk
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“I am sure you fantasize that the Aurora theater would have turned into a free fire zone with all the armed theater-goers unholstering their weapons and making free. I ask you.. what would the casualties have been then?”

..and I am sure you are completely unaware of this action..

http://www.forumsforums.com/3_9/showthread.php?p=554159

in the exact same town, fairly recently, where an armed civilian prevented a greater tragedy by using his own firearm.

You may have your opinions on who should be allowed to own firearms, but I will remind you that they are a perfectly legal and safe tool in the vast majority of gun owner’s hands. You can fight your damnedest to ban them, but there are others who will fight for their rights to prevent your intrusion into their lives.

I also find it somewhat amusing that those who call for safer communities through prohibitions of firearms are generally o.k. with Liberal interpretations regarding the rights and treatment of criminals, and who are against any type of crackdown on gangs based on ethnic profiling.

Definitely not a great strategy for keeping my community safe, to be certain.

nutsinavice
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The guy who stopped the shooting in Aurora was a cop. Off duty, but still trained and armed by the state. That’s not the same as arming the general populace to the teeth.

Member

Yes it is. It’s the exact same thing.

Tabitha Bliss
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Armed citizens in the US shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606). Only 2% of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The ‘error rate’ for the police, however, is 11%, more than 5 times as high.

PoliceOne, whose 450,000 members make it the largest private organization of active and retired law-enforcement officers in the U.S. surveyed members last March asking, “What would help most in preventing large scale shootings in public?” The No. 1 answer was; “More permissive concealed carry policies for civilians.” (Followed by “More aggressive institutionalization for mentally ill persons.”)

Another survey done by the National Association of Chiefs of Police of more than 20,000 chiefs of police and sheriffs found that 95% believed “any law-abiding citizen should be able to purchase a firearm for sport or self-defense.” 77% believed CC permits issued in one state should be honored by other states “in the way that drivers’ licenses are recognized through the country”—and that making citizens’ permits portable would “facilitate the violent crime-fighting potential of the professional law enforcement community.”

poontofview
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Thank You for stating the “Facts” which dissolve the myths and opinions regarding the gun issue.

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TSAlfabet
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Burk, your argument flies in the face of the facts in several respects.

First, fully auto weapons cannot be legally sold in the U.S. without special permits. The Captain wrote about this recently, I recall.

Second, the experience of both Australia and the UK demonstrates that violent crime dramatically *increased* following the ban on guns for law abiding citizens while it went down dramatically in the U.S. during the same period.

People who advocate banning guns never address the fact that criminals and lunatics will always find a way to get their hands on a gun. That’s as true in Australia and Britain as it is here. The only one who suffers from such bans are the law abiding citizens who become easy prey for the criminal and insane.

geTaylor
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Kursk:
Unfortunately, for the people who were there, you fail to notice that the ” the Aurora theater WAS turned into a free fire zone”; unfortunately, in my universe and maybe you count it as fortunate in yours, only the madman had the freedom to fire.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/07/17/video-excellent-concealed-carrier-stops-an-armed-robbery/

How does a person with your low opinion of your fellow citizens, drive at night or in the daylight, on undivided roads and streets?

Herschel Smith
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geTaylor,

You may have intended to address your comments to Burk rather than Kursk.

burkbraun
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Hi, All-

More shootings in/near Aurora? Heavens!

I am all in favor of police officers carrying concealed firearms when off-duty, if they wish to continue serving in that way. We can assume they are continually trained in the many relevant operational and legal issues. This is quite different from allowing wider carrying and a culture of gun presence, gun display, and gun violence to take hold. Remember what every wild west town did when it got to some level of civilized behavior.. it banned guns.

Let me note that this issue carries alot of archetypal content, not to say Freudian. We should not allow male attachment to these power-projective devices blind us to their dangers to self, family members, and others. The sense of control is quite misleading- gun owners do stupid things just like the rest of us, but the penalty is higher.

Herschel Smith
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Burk,

Let me be the first to say (in case no one has ever said it before) that I fully support your decision not to carry or even own a weapon of any sort. I also support your decision to depend fully on the police for all personal security issues, at home, in public places, and everywhere else at all times. I think you have made the right decision for you.

Don’t ever say that we have never agreed on anything.

Terri
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After reading Burk’s first comment, I wonder if he has a reading comprehension disorder… The article in no way advocated gun bans. Actually, it showed statistically the futility of doing such a thing. I agree! If they ever succeed in banning guns, the only ones who have arms will be the criminals!!! I truly believe they are using the recent deadly mass shootings to push their agenda. The people that do these sort of things are mentally ill. The government is CUTTING mental health care benefits for these people who need help and trying to put a bandaid over this gaping wound! Forget the gun ban because it only hurts law-abiding citizens; instead make health care more readily available!

TSAlfabet
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Good points, Terri. In that vein, isn’t it interesting that the Leftist Media and politicians are always salivating at every shooting event like this in hope that it will turn out to be a Tea Party member, or at least a conservative of some stripe. If that can’t be fabricated, they always always resort to cynically exploiting the tragedy by trying to draw a link to the crime and gun control, relying almost exclusively on emotional appeals that defy facts and common sense. If the Left is so keen on tracing cause and effect and trying to ban things, why don’t they turn their tyrannical gaze upon Hollywood? What about all the studies that have been done on the link between TV/Movie violence and violent/criminal behavior? (see a 2011 summary of the various studies here: http://www.cybercollege.com/violence.htm ). The Left doesn’t seem to care if there is actual scientific evidence before they start banning things (i.e., fracking, carbon emissions,… ), so it would seem an easy step for them to start calling for a ban on all violent content belching forth from Hollywood 24/7. But that’s the Left’s hypocrisy. They are selective about their values and convictions. If their own fellow… Read more »
Gerry Sorensen
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This eamil goes with comment just sent about Australia/ 2nd ammendment
right
Thanks Gerry

AT Rasheed
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Sorry, but your assertions are just not true. I am undecided about the best way to deal with gun violence, but i think having the correct information is the best way for citizens to make an informed decision.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-control-in-australia/

Herschel Smith
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AT Rasheed. It’s always good to have someone come in and say that we’re wrong, but that the objector doesn’t know what’s right.

Ah. The laws of logic. Not just for the little people. Oh, and I don’t give any credence to web sites like that.

Herschel Smith
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For instance (I should add to what I said above), see my latest piece, where the WSJ cited doctors saying that gun violence is increasing in Baltimore, where the Baltimore Sun completely debunked that myth.

Read circumspectly, Rasheed.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/12/14/is-gun-violence-really-soaring/

I should also ask why it’s your duty to solve the problem of gun violence, any more than it’s your duty to solve the problem of auto accidents, or domestic abuse? What if (some of) those are moral choices and value judgments that are unaffected by laws and regulations?

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Matt Field
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And I believe the last comment here was made on the day of the Sandy Hook shooting, such a tragedy and one we all wish could’ve been prevented. Of course now anti-gun types are doing their best to bring up the issue of banning guns altogether once again. Also, I will bring up the point that laws do not exist in a vacuum. Although gun violence may be down in Australia a number of years after a gun ban was enacted, and may actually work in Australia to some degree if that factcheck.org site’s numbers are to be trusted, the same may not actually work for the US. Lest we forget that the US is bordered by both Canada and MEXICO. Guns that could be smuggled in from the south alone probably hint that banning them for law abiding citizens is not a good idea. So please tell me who borders Australia? And like Herschel said, why is it your duty to solve any of the problems in the US? Do you live here? You get to speak with your vote if you’re a citizen but don’t limit my rights if you don’t want yours limited.

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JOhn
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I like this info that flies in the face of the truth. Violent crime has not increased in the U.K. or more importantly in Australia. In fact, homicides with firearms decreased to less than half pre-1996 levels. Unfortunately you can’t say the same about the U.S. Take a look at factcheck.com the nect time before you publish that type of garbage.

Lester M
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I’m sure this will be viewed that I’m making an argument on one side or the other, but I’m actually just a fan of people having the facts.

Recent studies have shown that there has been a significant decrease in violent crime in Australia since most guns were banned at the beginning of 1997. However, there was an increase in violent crimes for the ten years immediately following the ban. The Australian government had predicted a possible increase in violent crime following the ban, but that increase went on for longer than government agencies had predicted. At the moment, an argument can be made that the Australian gun ban has increased crime. However, considering recent trends, the eventual impact of the ban should still be considered inconclusive. In other words, neither side of the gun laws issue should be pointing to Australia to prove its point at this time.

Here is a link to more recent Australian violent crime statistics.

http://www.ministerhomeaffairs.gov.au/Mediareleases/Pages/2012/First%20quarter/4-March-2012—Crime-falling-across-Australia.aspx

Herschel Smith
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Factcheck. Politifact.

BHahahahahahahahaha …..

No, really. Hahahahahaha …

That’s a good one. Citing either one of those is analogous to citing rags like Huffington Post or Mother Jones as an authoritative source.

Tim
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factcheck.org is biased themselves, so naturally all of their references support their own point of view. So I for one will not be checking with them for anything when it comes to gun statistics.

Herschel Smith
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Right Tim. And while readers are visiting, think hard about the moral necessity and imperative of defense of the family and what the proposed ban means for that.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/09/25/christians-the-second-amendment-and-the-duty-of-self-defense/

Susi Froggy
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I agree with Terri that the mental health issue desperately needs to be looked at here but I also agree that these automatic weapons or assault weapons should not be available to every citizen that wants them. Most of these kinds of crimes usually stem from an emotional outburst even if planning was involved there is passion of some sort behind it. Guns are way too easy to get whether it’s from getting there own or acquired from another who didn’t have the sense to lock them up. A background check is not good enough. This guy in Conn had no prior criminal record. I bet though if he had to have references they might have picked something up. Hell you need them when adopting a pet, why not for own a weapon that’s main use is to keep people.

No One
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AT Rasheed, try reading the sources factcheck. Their conclusion ignores this. Australia’s Gun Laws: Little Effect: “But these changes have done nothing to reduce gun-related deaths, according to Samara McPhedran, a University of Sydney academic and coauthor of a soon-to-be-published paper that reviews a selection of previous studies on the effects of the 1996 legislation. The conclusions of these studies were “all over the place,” says McPhedran. But by pulling back and looking purely at the statistics, the answer “is there in black and white,” she says. “The hypothesis that the removal of a large number of firearms owned by civilians [would lead to fewer gun-related deaths] is not borne out by the evidence.”” The Australian Firearms Buyback and Its Effect on Gun Deaths:”Abstract: The 1996-97 National Firearms Agreement (NFA) in Australia introduced strict gun laws, primarily as a reaction to the mass shooting in Port Arthur, Tasmania in 1996, where 35 people were killed. Despite the fact that several researchers using the same data have examined the impact of the NFA on firearm deaths, a consensus does not appear to have been reached. In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using… Read more »
Tom
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Government fears two things above all others:
1. An informed and intelligent voting bloc
2. An armed populace.

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HBurger
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If you don’t trust politifact or snopes, how about the Australia Bureau of Statistics? The majority of the stats in you article do not agree with the real stats – at least not according to Australia. http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/0/B/6/%7B0B619F44-B18B-47B4-9B59-F87BA643CBAA%7Dfacts11.pdf

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323777204578195470446855466.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop By JOYCE LEE MALCOLM Americans are determined that massacres such as happened in Newtown, Conn., never happen again. But how? Many advocate more effective treatment of mentally-ill people or armed protection in so-called gun-free zones. Many others demand stricter control of firearms. We aren’t alone in facing this problem. Great Britain and Australia, for example, suffered mass shootings in the 1980s and 1990s. Both countries had very stringent gun laws when they occurred. Nevertheless, both decided that even stricter control of guns was the answer. Their experiences can be instructive. In 1987, Michael Ryan went on a shooting spree in his small town of Hungerford, England, killing 16 people (including his mother) and wounding another 14 before shooting himself. Since the public was unarmed—as were the police—Ryan wandered the streets for eight hours with two semiautomatic rifles and a handgun before anyone with a firearm was able to come to the rescue. Nine years later, in March 1996, Thomas Hamilton, a man known to be mentally unstable, walked into a primary school in the Scottish town of Dunblane and shot 16 young children and their teacher. He wounded 10 other children and three other teachers before taking his own… Read more »
Joe
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It’s actually funny to read this stuff. Guns were owned for more than a century, mass shooters are a recent thing. All that changed is mass drugging of people with regular emotional upsets or slight study problems. Someone a bit stupid, they drug him. Someone has a bit of attention problem, they drug him. Someone sneezes, they drug him. ALMOST ALL of the shooters were on psychiatric drugs. If you remove the number of shooters which were on these medication the amount of cases is negligible. Especially considering that the remaining cases are just the cases which are closed and we don’t know if they were taking anything. Stop being idiots. The numbers are going up and the amount of guns has nothing to do with more and more shootings. Treat the cause, this is what psychiatrists (and doctors these days) almost never do and none of the people above seem to want to do either. And side effects of the said drugs include violence and other very horrible things. (I know, I worked taking people off these for several months, there is a rather small percentage of people who experiences no side effects when withdrawing or skipping a dosage,… Read more »
Donn
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Seems the American President is He** Bent to force a historical change in our gun laws, in order to reduce mass murders. The evidence well described here, clearly does not support a new assault on our 2nd Amendment gun rights. In my humble opinion further limits on so called assault rifles, high capacity mags, more background checks and data base nonsense etc will be ineffective in curbing further mass killing rampages in this country.
Note the data cited, factually show there has been a dramatic decrease in homacides in the US, almost identical to that in Australia, 1995 to 2011. So obviously, new draconian gun laws have nothing to do with murder rates.
All we are going to get is more ineffective, expensive, beurocratic BULLS**T, as usual.

Robert
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Leaving aside for the moment there is no such thing as the “Australian Bureau of Criminology,” there are so many different ways to analyse statistics that arguing them becomes a moot point. Crime has many complicated causes. Even as a pro-gun control advocate, I understand that even if every gun magically disappeared from the streets there would still be crime. The Australian statistics, when you cut through the BS on both sides show a slight decrease in crime. The open question is do the costs justify the results? Is there an answer that would get more “bang for the buck” than gun control?

So there it is, I am perfectly happy to give up advocating gun control if you can provide a cost effective way to decrease crime more?

Herschel Smith
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I’m not interested in social engineering programs, Robert. I am interested in protecting myself and my family. I can best do that when nosey, meddling, know-it-alls like you leave me alone and I exercise my constitutional rights.

You have no right to regulate my rights away. They are non-negotiable, and you cannot touch them. They are not for your use in your experimentation with global statistics. You can use your own family for that (let your wife know that you have no intentions of protecting her), but not mine.

Crime in Aus. was and is going down anyway, just like crime is going down in the U.S. Aus. had a AWB, the U.S. didn’t. Crime is unrelated to bans. QED.

Crime in the U.K. is going up … and up … and up … in spite of the weapons ban.

bbert
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crime and gun related homicides are going down in Australia . many of your discussions forget the effects of the availability of Guns especially on things like suicide and unintentionally deaths . facts are your 1100 times more likely to be killed through suicide or accident by having a gun in the house , then the rare case when 1 is actually use to deter a crime. the funny dichotomy is people that say they need guns for defense in the homes but also acknowledge they must be safely stored so children don’t get access to them . very seldom is a gun actually used in catching a criminal in the act and preventing injury. add in the safety for kids and its usefulness is laughable . can you imagine catching someone coming into your room and saying, “hold it right there , let me get my gun out of the lockbox in this standing next to me , and wait a little bit longer please because my bullets are stored over in the dresser” ……pplllleeeaaassse! and most of this questions h ere totally ignore all other industrialized nations with strict gun control or no access to guns . the… Read more »
Herschel Smith
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Well, it’s not my article, but it’s my web site so I’ll respond – yet again. The statistics show that gun bans don’t reduce violent crime, and nothing you can do, nothing you can argue, nothng you can concoct, can change the facts. Comparing absolute rates of crimes of various types from country to country is invalid and irrelevant. The U.S. has a gang problem, most European countries don’t. The U.S. doesn’t wish to secure its border, so we have an easy influx of drug and crime warlord fighters from South of the border. Change those two parts of the equation and the entire calculus changes and so would the absolute values of crime statistics. But it would still be irrelevant to compare any country against another. The point still is this: gun bans don’t work. As for waiting to get access to a firearms in a home invasion, I won’t have that problem with mine hanging on my side the entire night. As for you, bbert, I support your decision not to arm yourself. I do. I think you have chosen the best course of action for yourself. But you don’t have the right to legislative action because you… Read more »
kevin
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Just look at the ban of fully auto weapons. It had no effect on violent crime numbers and almost no effect on gun violence. A gun is just a tool that is used in a crime not the cause!

a guy
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Comparing country to country is hardly useful. Comparing what has taken place in the country, however, is. And the numbers above regarding the rise in violent crimes in Australia, to include rape and assaults, is as accurate as it gets. You can find the same exact numbers on Australia’s Institute of Criminology website: http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html E.g. that is the raw source of the data as published but the government. England and Whales data can be found via the Home Office: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/science-research/research-statistics/publications/statistical-publications/ England has 350% more violent crime per 100K people then does America. o_0 That’s crazy, either they calculate “violent crimes” differently or… oh no, they count rape, assaults, etc. the same way the USA does. Never mind. Well the good news is it is slightly down. The data for the US is on the FBI’s website, Unified Crime Reports I think you want table 20. Bottom line, violent crime is down in the USA by 50% since 1992. Firearms murders are down 54%. England and Australia can’t say the same thing. And while the USA has not only not enacted more gun control, they lifted the assault weapons ban and flooded the market with those evil black military-like rifles! EVIL!… Read more »
Donn
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We have armed air marshals in the air and everyone is fine with that. We insist on armed guards protecting our money as a matter of routine. We require armed officers beside our President and his family all hours of the day. We pay for armed police patrolling every city, county, state and Federal buildings and property in the country at all hours. Legally armed citizens own 280 million firearms in our country. Where do the nut cases go to do their murderous acts? In the legally carved out kill zones of course – schools, theaters, churches, malls, sports events, generally where concentrations of unarmed, undefended people congregate and where there are signs announcing “GUN FREE ZONES”. How many mass killings have ever occurred at a gun show? None. Think about it. If signs could stop psychopathic killers then WWII could have been avoided with a few signs at the borders “No Invading Armies Allowed”. Why do we call 911 when a shooting occurs? Duh, to get competent people with guns to take out the killer. Trouble is by the time they arrive it’s generally too late, the killing is over and all they do is arrest the killer if… Read more »
bbert
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P.S. sorry , didn’t have a lot of time to write these things and noticed that my voice recognition software is pretty bad

bbert
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A guy, there is no way to relate violent crime to whether or whether not gonna order ship is available. each country have a different version of what a violent crime is . crime is often determined more by what the justice system is like , the economic well being of the country at that time , police per capita , and many other things . the only thing you can make a true correlation involving guns , is how many deaths, suicide, and accidental deaths are caused by guns. on this the statistics are clear that by number and by per capita we are by far the most violent . UK have a lot of crime but is probably related more to it lacks justice system , Japan have almost no gun deaths but yet the society has a mindset of Honor , and respect not seen in many other countries . funny thing is is even now that is changing and it’s being blamed a lot on our American lifestyle being emulated more and more by the youth . even if some other countries have higher crime rates, the percentage of those that are actually involved in a… Read more »
Herschel Smith
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bert, as far as your response to “a guy,” I think you’re making his case for him. That’s what he said. And again, that’s what he said. And … what he said is absolute value of numbers is irrelevant (also a point I made). The issue is trend, and if this article gets a thousand comments it won’t change the fact that gun control DOES NOT REDUCE CRIME. The data doesn’t substantiate that assertion.

I’m nonplussed (or at least, ambivalent) at the notion of arming all teachers. The better option is to allow them to be armed if they go through the process for getting a concealed handgun permit, train themselves, go to the range frequently, and get weapon retention training.

bbert2
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let’s see if changing names keeps me from getting my posts wiped out . Hersch you said, One of my co-workers, who didn’t have ready access to firearms, was shot and killed, along with his wife, when two home invaders raped his (now) fatherless and motherless daughter. Your decision to refuse to protect your family is cowardly, immoral and reprehensible in the extreme. my post that have been conveniently remove the dress is this issue . in the past 2 months are small town has had a gun related suicide , and an 8 year old girl killed when I fathers gun fell out of his pocket and discharged accidentally . if you go to the Justice Department you will see that the number of home invasions wear a gun was actually attributable to stopping the crime , the numbers are in the hundreds . accidental deaths , suicides and owners own gun being used against them are in the tens of thousands . you are statistically 1100 * more likely to be killed by a gun in your home , then they are . to protect you . I’m perfectly good with telling my wife and children , that… Read more »
Herschel Smith
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bbert2,

I have no idea, absolutely none, what “post” you’re talking about. I don’t approve or disapprove each post. Since there have been more than 50,000 spam comments over my blogging history (have you ever operated a well-visited web site before?), I let Spam Karma 2 do the work for me. Occasionally I have to interact with the software to tweek it or recover a comment or delete a spam that got through. I dislike having to do this because it’s time consuming. I did not delete whatever comment you did or didn’t make.

Making comments is a privilege, not a right. Since you have accused me of something for which you have no proof, you’re forthwith banned from making further comments. I hope that fixes whatever issues you are having.

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Walter Ring
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More guns always means less overall crime. The United States has nearly more guns than the rest of the world combined but we do not have even close to the highest murder rate. In fact, we have one of the lowest murder rates in the world. If you break the crime rate down by race, blacks commit over half, eve though they are 13 percent of the population. Gun bans simply do not work in reducing crime.

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