Veterans And Problems With Firearms Ownership
BY Herschel Smith
3 years, 4 months ago
We’ve discussed this before, but here is an example case that should send chills up the spine of every veteran in America.
I’m not here asking for legal advice, just soliciting unqualified experience, anecdotes, and opinions regarding my situation. I’m a longtime gun owner and special operations veteran. A week ago, a friend committed suicide. In my pre-scheduled VA therapy appointment (I’ve been working through some things I saw in Afghanistan) I was candid with the VA therapist about how much this bummed me out, but repeatedly reiterated that I am not a danger to myself or others, and vehemently indicated that I am not suicidal.
This blue-haired, effete social work grad immediately called the police on me and initiated a 36 hour emergency psych hold. Three overweight city cops arrived at my home with their weapons drawn, in a more aggressive posture than I have held when speaking to armed and irritated Afghan villagers holding AKMs.
I complied politely and rode to the hospital, where I convinced the doctors not to involuntarily commit me for 14 days, which is what the VA provider asked them to do. That said, they explained that an “involuntary thirty six hour hold” had been initiated just to get me there. I’m still trying to figure out if this qualifies in relation to the involuntary commitment question on Form 4473.
I do not intend to receive/purchase another firearm before hiring a lawyer who is qualified on firearms law in my state, but recently separated from the military and can’t afford a lawyer right now. In the short term, does anyone have a general idea what this might mean for my gun rights? Again, I am not going to purchase another firearm before talking to a lawyer, but won’t be able to afford it for a while. Just looking for similar experiences and opinions.
Thanks, and as much as I hate to say it, be careful what you say to VA social workers. If you need help, definitely get it, but you can’t trust them to actually listen to what you’re saying.
I’m not an attorney, and this gentleman needs a good attorney. With that said, I have a few observations.
First, the VA is FedGov. Do not trust FedGov employees.
Second, find a good pastor who you can trust instead if you need to discuss things.
Third, this gentleman should safely put away his firearms in a location (only he knows where) until this blows over.
Fourth, do not trust “mental health” professionals. Much of what they do is akin to witchcraft, sorcery and palm reading.
On December 14, 2020 at 10:26 pm, 41mag said:
Friends spouse is a board certified behavior analyst and clinical therapist. Not witchcraft.
The VA only use .mil people to provide therapy, cuz reasons. Private professionals aren’t allowed cuz “they don’t understand, maaaan”.
Stupid is as stupid does.
She’s of the Adler school of psychology…help people solve their own problems. Never advocated for medications and would have loved to help vets if only they would avoid the stigma of talking to a non-veteran.
On December 14, 2020 at 10:31 pm, Knowbuddy Yuno said:
If you have guns that you bought pursuant to a NICS check, it’s time to put them in a trust. That way you don’t technically own them, and they can’t be seized if some V.A. jackwagon tries to paint you as a nutter.
January 20th is approaching fast, and after Grampa Badfinger is sworn in, the gun-grabbing fuckery begins. Act now before the opportunity is gone. Once your guns are in a trust, you can honestly tell anybody who asks that you don’t own any.
On December 15, 2020 at 12:29 am, grayman said:
I do not tell my mental health people at the VA much and told them so because they put it in the computer, so i understand his problem just be careful what you tell them
On December 15, 2020 at 2:32 am, Georgiaboy61 said:
Re: “Fourth, do not trust “mental health” professionals. Much of what they do is akin to witchcraft, sorcery and palm reading.”
If only that was the extent of the problem. Medicine as a profession has been partially-co-opted by the deep-state – which is to say that parts of profession remain trustworthy whereas other parts are not. Psychiatry (I am including psychology and social work as subsets, since they often feed into psychiatric practices) has been out-and-out weaponized by the deep-state.
Using medicine as a weapon isn’t new – the old Soviet NKVD/KGB “pioneered” the technique more than sixty years ago. What is relatively new is the infiltration of Cultural Marxism/communism into the field in a large-scale, organized way in this country. That began with the Baby Boomers/counterculture generation, accelerated in the Clinton years of the 1990s, and took off like the proverbial rocket under Obama.
It isn’t simply veterans and former/present members of the armed forces; working class males -in particular white working-class/blue-collar males – are also being targeted. Slowly but surely, this is widening to include all men, but especially white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant traditional men who are Christian.
A brief example will suffice. Ever heard of “oppositional defiant disorder”? Me, neither, but then again – it isn’t a real illness, mental or otherwise, and didn’t exist until the last revision of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSMV) of Mental Disorders, the basic diagnostic text of the field – during Obama’s second term in office. What is ODD? Answer: Anyone who questions authority or engages in dissent can be slapped with this diagnosis, depending on the whims of the specialist involved.
Knowing how the system works, it would not surprise me at all if such “therapists” get a nice little kick-back from fed.gov for their “proactive public health” care of the public. Plus a nice little plaque to hang on the wall or some such evidence of their virtue.
This is straight out of the KGB handbook. Dissenters are labeled as psychologically-unfit and ill, not withstanding the merits of their complaints. So “diagnosed,” at some future date, they can be bundled off to the gulag. Presto, no fuss, no muss. The party can say with a straight face, “Oh, Mr.Smith is hospitalized. He isn’t well, but we’re taking good care of him. You’ll see him again when he is over his sickness.”
The rot is most-pronounced in the softer science fields of medicine, such as psychiatry – and also public health, epidemiology and academic/administrative medicine, i.e., New England Journal of Medicine, AMA, WHO, CDC, etc.
Vis-a-vis firearms ownership, there has been quite a push over recent years by gun controllers to get “gun violence”identified as a public health crisis. This is why during a routine physical or office visit, you may be asked – in print or verbally – if there are “any guns in the house” or something along those lines. Answer in the negative – period. Fishing expeditions of this kind are certainly of questionable morality, and possibly questionable legality (entrapment?), and virtually always have no bearing whatsoever on your chief complaint.
Herschel, your basic advice to see a trustworthy clergyman rather than a therapist is sound. At the present time, psychiatry/psychology and related disciplines have to be considered basically hostile to traditional America and traditional Americans. That’s the bottom line.
On December 15, 2020 at 9:07 am, Fred said:
Fifth: don’t do this; “I complied politely and rode to the hospital”
On December 15, 2020 at 1:28 pm, X said:
But… but… he fought for our “freedom.”
On December 15, 2020 at 2:09 pm, scott s. said:
Agree it’s not a problem limited to VA. I think the core problem is most of these “helpers” have some dependency on the “state” as well as probably having a bias that led them into the field to begin with. DSM is simply an opinion of the times. I recently had to get my father a new primary care doc. In the “new patient” data package was a one page “social wellness” questionnaire with all the “do you feel depressed” type questions.
On December 16, 2020 at 5:18 pm, Steve Sumner said:
A trust for your guns Knowbuddy, seriously? The law is broken beyond repair. How the heck will a trust protect you from illegal actions on the part of the LEOs?