‘Red Flag’ Law Assumes Gun Confiscation Orders Will Be Granted 95% Of The Time
BY Herschel Smith
4 years, 3 months ago
The Colorado legislature’s official fiscal analysis of that state’s new “red flag” law, which took effect this week, projects that police and “family or household members” will use it to seek gun confiscation orders against people they portray as threats to themselves or others about 170 times a year. The analysis also assumes that 95 percent of those petitions will be granted, which is not far-fetched given Florida’s experience with such orders.
Such a high approval rate reflects the due process problems with red flag laws, which take away people’s Second Amendment rights for a year or more based on vague standards and dubious evidence that judges are not inclined to question because they worry about the potentially deadly consequences of rejecting petitions. But there are a couple of reasons to think Colorado’s approval rate may not be quite as high as Florida’s.
The land of pre-crime requires that you be squared away in your family life. Seriously. The best way to avoid crap like this is to never call the police about anything, especially any family disputes or firearms.
Men, be leaders. Spiritual leaders, physical leaders, providers and protectors. The costs of not being so is higher today than ever before.
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On January 7, 2020 at 3:40 am, Dan said:
In many states the law does not require the person seeking the order to be related in any way. In fact in some jurisdictions the person filing for the order is not required to have EVER LAID EYES on the person they are seeking to disarm. The law as written in most places is quite simply AN EXCUSE TO VIOLATE 2A Rights without the need of ANYTHING like facts, evidence and ESPECIALLY due process. And in many cases the person being disarmed has NO LEGAL RIGHT to even know the identity of the person seeking the ‘red flag’ order.
On January 7, 2020 at 6:51 am, Nosmo said:
“….never call the police about anything,…”
An excellent operating principle. There was a time, long since passed, in which police could be counted on to be trustworthy, and to provide reasonable services to the citizens. Alas, such is not the case today, and caution should apply to any potential interaction with police.
In particular, it’s worth a moment to review the monitoring agreement you have with your alarm company, should you have a monitored alarm system. Many monitoring outfits default to contacting police, some even after contacting you first which will result in a police response. That response will include treating your home like a crime scene whether it is or not, and since you’re not home – which is why you have an alarm system in the first place – any “hazardous materials” will be “secured for safety.” I would not rule out having one’s safe drilled for that purpose.
On January 7, 2020 at 9:35 am, Randolph Scott said:
“….never call the police about anything,…”
I was told to Never call 911 in an emergency, the police are notified immediately. If you need an ambulance, call the Ambulance number directly. Leave the damned police out of it.
On January 7, 2020 at 10:35 am, Mean Boy said:
Kinda like back in 2012 when sobama’s brain ol’ eyeranian Val Jar said now it is our turn and we have the judges lined up.
Don’t feel bad for the genetic misfires who will trust the government and their representatives to build some shit ridden half baked double digit IQ utopia.
That kind of stupidity is supposed to be like a boat anchor and God wouldn’t have made them that way if it wasn’t part of the plan.
On January 7, 2020 at 1:41 pm, Steven S. said:
As I try to grasp the consequences of the Virginia Conundrum, I am skeptical of the trust and reliance the participants maintain upon our judiciary.
Our Supreme Court and Appellate judgeships are life time political appointees who are owned by our corrupted two party system. How are they to be trusted as the final arbiters in defense of our rights?
They are specifically groomed and selected for their political affiliation, beliefs, and opinions that protect the elites in the government establishment.
Our lower, or subordinate court systems are comprised and dependent upon the electoral process, and are owned by their financial contributors. They can not be trusted in the arbitrary defense of our rights.
These judges are also political appointees. They are candidates who are selected according to the local predominant political elites who are in controll of thier presiding districts.
The state, county and local jurisdictions are party (Republican or Democrat) controlled.
The Democrats and Republicans are the two wings of the same bird.
Consequently, we do not have a judicial system that equitably applies the administration justice. We have a legal system that is designed to protect the elites.
When the laws protect one class of society (the elite) and are applied as a weapon, and enforced (with extreme cruelty) to punish another class of society (us in fly over country) or a certain individual, we are no longer equal participants in the equitable administration of justice.
We have devolved from a federally constituted republic into a tyrannical socialist police state. When laws become weapons, justice is the first casualty.