Do What FedGov Says Or We’ll Incinerate You With Nuclear Weapons
BY Herschel Smith
5 years, 5 months ago
From WiscoDave and others, this is nice.
And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit. I’m sure if we talked we could find common ground to protect our families and communities.
— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) November 16, 2018
By finding common ground, he means that you agree with whatever he thinks.
I’d like to make a personal request here. After the missiles are sent, the tactical nuclear weapons are exploded, and the bombs are dropped, the grunts are going to need some training in the difference between an Alpha, Beta and Gamma, the basics in time, distance and shielding, how to put on anti-Cs and how to decon, how to operate a GM detector, etc. Also, since all of the food in America will be contaminated, folks will need to know how to scan their food (I once was in a training class with an engineer who lived in Kiev, and at the time of the training he and other residents of Kiev still had to scan their food before consumption because of the core melt event at Chernobyl).
I’ll leave the booming mortuary business to someone else. I’ll leave the import of food from Africa to America to someone else. I just want the training contract for the Army grunts you’re going to send into the bombed out cities and countryside.
Please? A little love this way, how about it?
On November 19, 2018 at 7:40 am, Mark Matis said:
You missed the best part. Nukes are a sorry tool to use against a dispersed population. ESPECIALLY when that population is UPWIND from your blessed hives. And even more especially when your hive dwellers have been sold the idea that ANY radiation is deadly. And have access to geiger counters.
This would be the fastest way to clean out those sewers!
On November 19, 2018 at 9:56 am, I R A Darth Aggie said:
Deer Representative Spitwad,
I’m pretty sure nuking a rebellious population would be considered a war crime. That wouldn’t look so good on the resume, nor at trial.
If you were to get one.
On November 19, 2018 at 10:09 am, Fred said:
I’m less amused. Governments of men have thousands of years of history of burning people alive that won’t comply.
On November 19, 2018 at 10:34 am, Mark Matis said:
I hate to break this to you, I R A Darth Aggie, but neither the Deep State nor the One World Government crowd would consider that a “war crime”. Any more than they will consider the coming South Africa murder of Whites by the government a war crime.
On November 19, 2018 at 11:16 am, revjen45 said:
Is this clown really so out to lunch that he thinks nukes won’t inflict an unacceptable amount of collateral damage on the Demanding Moms et al. as well as killing the gun owners?
Oh, wait a minute – he’s a Democrat so he probably IS that OTL.
On November 19, 2018 at 11:55 am, Frank Clarke said:
So Dwayne gets the order to target West Wheresoever, Indiana and thinks: That’s the town where Grandma lives!
Dwayne adjusts the targeting for Washington DC.
Problem solved…
On November 19, 2018 at 12:34 pm, BRVTVS said:
Also from Swalwell:
“Russia continues to support the regime of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad, whose use of chemical weapons is intolerable and constitutes a war crime.”
Source: https://swalwell.house.gov/issues/russia-not-our-friend
On November 19, 2018 at 12:41 pm, john said:
If a bunch of cave-dwelling towel-heads in Afghanistan can fight and win against a “technologically superior force”, such as the USSR or USA, I think a bunch of “bitter clingers” in the US can be equally successful.
Nuke away, bitches.
On November 19, 2018 at 2:03 pm, H said:
I wouldn’t be so sanguine, commies have always turned to mass murder to enforce their rule. As a terror weapon, and an attempt to remove the conflict from the 4th generation of warfare where we deliberately hobble our troops to avoid bad optics, imagine them nuking, say, the Springfield-Branson area of Missouri with airbursts, at a time they think Memphis will avoid most of the by then dissipated fallout (and they won’t really care about any of their Blue subject suffering any more than they care about the 1,000 people who we’re guessing just perished from their anti-logging “radical environmentalism” in northern California). Lots of Reddest of Red Staters get killed, and they’ve made a point, shall we say.
Throwing out the idea mostly for discussion, but be very sure they’re entirely capable of doing this.
On November 19, 2018 at 5:55 pm, Georgiaboy61 said:
The late Professor R.J. Rummel, a political scientist by training, spent his long career studying democide, genocide and other forms of mass killing. One of his most important findings was that most genocides proceed according to a fairly predictable pattern or template which unfolds over time.
Early in the process, a group in power (often but not always a majority) singles out and identifies another group within the population as the cause of whatever ills, real or perceived, which affect that society. This public scapegoating process makes the targeted group (often a minority) the locus of societal hatred, enmity and resentment, and also provides tacit permission for hatred of and aggression against the minority group in question by would-be aggressors.
The scapegoating process begins the process of separating the accused group from the mainstream of society, and it is at this point that punitive measures are taken against the accused, closely followed by displays of aggression, verbal as well as physical. At first, these acts of aggression are small and relatively harmless, but – absent methods to defuse the process and ratchet down the bellicosity – they can ramp up quickly.
The aggression at first may take the form of social stigmatization and ostracism, leading next to punitive legal and social sanctions. Acts of physical aggression by the majority aggressors begin to appear, and even if the perpetrators are identified, they are seldom punished, or may receive a pro forma slap on the wrist. These first acts embolden others, which ramps up the intensity, severity and frequency of attacks. Victims may find their personal assets punitively taxed or confiscated. Their businesses and homes may be vandalized or torched in acts of arson.
As the social fabric unravels, the mounting chaos is blamed on the targeted (victim) group, which serves as “permission” for still-stricter measures. Arrest, imprisonment, concentration camps and execution squads soon follow.
By the time the victims – “dissidents” – are being thrown in prisons and camps and being executed, they are no longer referred to as being human, as fellow members of society – but as vermin, sub-humans, Untermenschen, cockroaches and the like. This is the process of pseudo-speciation, the act of transforming would-be enemies into something less-than-human, making it therefore “socially-acceptable” to liquidate them.
The Left, as epitomized by Representative Swalwell, are well-along in the process outlined by Rummel et al. Indeed, they are now to the point where they no longer bother to hide their hatred of traditional Americans and others they hold to be their enemies – and they are musing about how they propose to “deal” with them!
When a nation and people reach a point that sitting members of Congress are discussing violence against opposing political factions, you are sailing in dangerous waters indeed.
On November 19, 2018 at 6:21 pm, ROFuher said:
I sorely miss the commentary Dutchman6 reserved for these congress critters.
On November 20, 2018 at 4:59 pm, moe mensale said:
“Nuke away, bitches.”
@john,
What gives you the right to be so damn cavalier with everyone else’s lives? Just astounding.
On November 20, 2018 at 5:11 pm, moe mensale said:
I wonder if Swalwell was following Edward the Longshank’s approach from “Braveheart?” :-)
Longshanks: Archers.
English Commander: I beg pardon, sire. Won’t we hit our own troops?
Longshanks: Yes… but we’ll hit theirs as well. We have reserves. Attack.
On November 20, 2018 at 6:41 pm, H said:
A lot of the Left has Othered us to the point that they feel less connection to us than Longshanks probably felt towards the enemy grunts he was fighting. We aren’t human to them, we’re vermin who’s existence they have to tolerate for the time being, which they very much don’t like.
On November 20, 2018 at 7:15 pm, Gryphon said:
Far More Likely that the feral government would Nuke a City (or a dozen) to be able to “Blame” Iran, Russia, or whatever Country the Z.O.G. wants an Open War with… Targets would be picked for ‘maximum effectiveness’ against “Right Wing, White Supremacist, Neo-Nazi” Strongholds, as analysed by Voting Records.
A Long Time ago, I came to the Conclusion that in the Event of Nukewar, it will be Imperative to IMMEDIATELY set about Eliminating Every .gov minion you can get into your Sights, as if it isn’t .gov that “Did It”, they would have Failed to Defend the Nation in the First Place (and as we all Know that is NOT (((their))) Agenda.
On November 21, 2018 at 8:09 am, H said:
Gryphon: by design, since the 1970s, we’ve have no ICBM interception capabilities, aside from the recent minimal one set up to protect us from threats from the west, i.e. North Korea. Obama canceled the project for ones from the east, after Poland burned a lot of political capital to host it. Russia for whatever reasons insists that we remain totally vulnerable to any attack from them, while they of course retain their own defenses. The AGEIS Standard Missile 3 (SM-3) is really cool, but treaty constraints while it was being developed, and I’m pretty sure constraints from the vertical launch cells that hold it, prevent it in its current state from being more than an IRBM interceptor.
You can also tell the source of a nuclear warhead, the design and where its fissionables came from, by checking the isotopes left over after it explodes, but who would you trust in the aftermath of a detonation on US soil?
A better heuristic is the sort you outline, no one striking the US would pick one of the minor Red state targets that exist, although you have to figure in whether a missile from Iran would even be likely to hit its target. If they blame Russia for a multiple warhead hit but don’t launch a retaliatory strike, we’d also be very suspicious.
The worst thing about all this? That idiot Congressman has firmly put this gambit on the table, there’s no taking that back.
On November 21, 2018 at 8:18 am, Fred said:
H, You’re the only one to mention it that I’ve seen anywhere. The first thing that crossed my mind when we (the Clinton foundation) started selling uranium to Russia was; How can we know who nuked who and not just in a bilateral exchange of ICBMs scenario.
On November 21, 2018 at 10:50 am, H said:
Fred, have been studying this since I was in lower grade school in the late 1960s, and after the Cold War a lot previously classified details have been released, plus there’s lots to be learned from contemporaneous accounts like Leslie Groves’ Now It Can Be Told. But if you want to learn the details, I’d start with Richard Rhodes The Making of the Atomic Bomb, which will teach you everything starting with the basic nuclear physics as it was discovered starting around the beginning of the 20th Century. Particularly valuable if you have a STEM background.
Enriching uranium is expensive, but with modern ultracentrifuge technology easier for a lot of countries that don’t have the chops to run weapons grade plutonium breeding reactors* and robotic separation facilities. And the Khan network is said to have procured the design for a PRC uranium implosion device, with blueprints down the factory floor level, e.g. tighten this bolt with a specified torque and use a particular thread locker.
But the Soviets had what it took, for example the Chernobyl reactor design came from at least two different issues, they could made good pipe but not big containment vessels, and the top loading of pipes with fuel meant it can be used to breed weapons grade plutonium*. Their first design was a Fat Man plutonium implosion clone.
However, I’m pretty sure needed to develop uranium enrichment for efficient naval and civilian reactors, and it’s very possible they developed uranium implosion devices. We did, they have some advantages for certain use cases, and I suppose they could try to muddy the waters by using one without the obviousness of delivering it from a missile.
Including going to the significant expense of enriching all the way to weapons grade uranium mined in the US (we can’t enrich it anymore, so some other country has to). But the design, other materials used in making the bomb, etc. would still almost certainly betray the origin in the isotopes left over. Then again, with the current US Deep State Russian hate-fest, would we believe such a claim?
* Note that fuel must be cycled through the reactor in time measured in weeks, although for best yield more than a month, or you get too much of two unfavorable isotopes, one produces a lot of heat and is used in deep space probes, another fissions too easily and precluded a gun assembly plutonium bomb, that’s why we didn’t build long “Thin Man” bombs the B-29 “Silverplate” bombers were modified to accommodate, and went with the implosion Fat Man device.
That’s also why all claims that reprocessed civilian nuclear waste can be used to make practical bombs are bogus, unless the reactor design allows for quick fuel replacement. In the 1st World the only design I know of that allows for that is Canada’s CANDU, which is also particularly flexible in what it will burn. Otherwise you have a device that has to get rid of something like 1 kW of heat to keep everything cool enough, and you won’t get more than 1 kT of yield, although it would be very dirty.
On November 21, 2018 at 1:19 pm, Nutty Old Geezer said:
Perhaps we should not be focusing on the literal statement. I seriously doubt as he said (I know I know -he is a lying Sack O’ Sheite) he was being literal. I wonder if those gifted sociopaths have their plan, their “Nuclear Option”. Sending the fedgov Jack Boots out to arrest all the right wing nazis type of nuclear option? Like everyone reading this site. NRA or GOA members. CCWs holders. Anyone buying 5.56. Anyone who dared to vote conservative. Just ask what did other fascist like Pol Pot, Stalin or Mao do? Think it cannot happen here? Who would have thought the fedgov would capture every email, cell call or phone call in the good ole’ USA. Cameras everywhere. What happened after the Boston Marathon? Small scale trial run? I always thought they don’t have enough people, but with this last election? Even with the cheating how could so many vote for people so corrupt. A friend of mine, former airborne pathfinder snake eater guy always laughed at my ideas on this. He just call me after the election and said he never thought it would come this fast. That really struck a nerve with me. If he realizes what is coming down, it must be getting close and much worse than I thought. So just what was this fascist egotist really talking about? Do the feds in the swamp have a big plan for us? Re-education camps anyone? Are we in the 25% that need extermination (see Bill Ayers plans via Weather Underground and remember he was obozo’s mentor)
On November 21, 2018 at 2:10 pm, H said:
I don’t have much to say to comfort you, but in some ways the above isn’t quite so bad:
A lot of those votes were manufactured. 80,000 alone in Broward County, but the stupid woman in charge really is fantastically incompetent, either stopped too soon, or just as likely, wasn’t able to mobilize enough ballot creation because she’s really, really incompetent at everything she does.
Outside of Florida (but not the agriculture commissioner who just happens to be in charge of administering the state’s concealed carry licencing system) and Georgia, where the original results weren’t that close, it’s No Accident that pretty much every reversal of election night’s results favored the Democrat. I actually don’t know of any exceptions, but I assume there are a few, but statistically we know the pattern equals nothing but fraud. Unfortunately, I fear this statement about the two sides is correct:
A less comforting fact is that we’re “inviting” millions of foreigners who come from countries were you’re only stupid if you’re not cheating successfully. Corruption doesn’t exist in the political and economic domains, aside from someone you have a tie with violating it. The concept of corruption, at least as a very bad thing that I’m pretty sure you’re thinking about is very rare, doesn’t exist much outside the Anglosphere, and of course less and less there as every “Anglo” country imports hordes of culturally and genetically (they’re strongly linked) foreigners.
Or let’s put it this was, do you think committing an act of corruption could cause someone to feel guilt, or shame, I suppose the latter only if they get caught.
As for a lot of the rest, yes, we’re all on lists, and it appears to be happening very quickly, “You really and truly don’t yet have enough ammo, food, medication, and hard-hearted friends to prevail against the Reds.” (WRSA). We’ve got time to accrue more of all of the above, for what increasingly looks like the day we start hunting.
On November 21, 2018 at 3:12 pm, moe mensale said:
“Outside of Florida (but not the agriculture commissioner who just happens to be in charge of administering the state’s concealed carry licencing system) and…”
Because the Agriculture Commissioner is an elected position (and supposedly more accountable to the people) whereas the Secretary of State (who formerly oversaw the CCW system) is an appointed position (since 2002). Hypothetically, an anti-gun governor could appoint an anti-gun Sec of State to muck up the system.
On November 21, 2018 at 9:08 pm, Gryphon said:
H- I agree 100% with what You Wrote there, both from the Technical Perspective and the Political. What concerns Me is I see that the feral .gov (or ‘deep state’ as it is often called) IS run by people so Absolutely Immoral and Corrupt that they would not hesitate for an Instant if a “False Flag” Nuke Attack would (seem to them) to Advance (((their))) Interests. As for other Nations, when you look at Obvious Adversaries, North Korea and Iran (IF they have Weapons) would have Absolutely No Reason to Attack the U.S. UNLESS ATTACKED FIRST. Those Nations know they would be Crushed, but they also Know that Nukes ARE the best Deterrent Ever. As for China, their Financial/Trade Involvement with the U.S. pretty much precludes Open War, for the Economic and Internal Political Consequences would Destroy them as completely as all the U.S. Nukes.
Russia is Now, (read what Their Leaders Say) seeing the U.S. as a Threat; the Buildup of both Offensive and Defensive Systems, well Publicized, is meant as a Warning to the U.S. to Leave the Bear the F**k Alone. I Don’t see Russia as a Threat, except for what they will do if the ‘tards in the ‘deep state’ keep Poking at them.
Russia has Very Clear Defensive Policies – You can Read them Yourself on the MoD Website – in Simple Terms they are:
1. Nobody Invades Russia and Survives.
2. Any land Invasion of Russia gets the Tactical Nukes, First Thing.
3. Any Existential Threat to Russia gets Nuked off the Face of the Earth.
It’s the “First Use” of Nukes that should be a Concern to the Idiots in “NATO” and the U.S. Army in Europe. Plenty of Russian Officers are On Record as saying that “One Tank Over the Line” allows the Division Artillery to Use Nukes WITHOUT Orders from Moscow. (They have to Report it, but it is My Impression from reading their stuff that Tacticals (if issued) are “Released” to Units down to Division)
On November 22, 2018 at 7:42 am, H said:
Certainly, but they’ve got to be concerned about the blowback, the risks are existentially high. One interpretation I favor for why (((they))) are so intent on and successful in destroying European civilization is that the Nazis showed how very competent we can be if we turn a pogrom up to 11. Causing the US to get nuked at any level could result in the world deciding it’s just too dangerous to allow any Jews to live.
People said the same considerations made WWI impossible.
On November 22, 2018 at 9:40 pm, Blake said:
NOG, a couple of things are in play here, other than the points made by our host.
One: David Koresh and company were American citizens incinerated by our government after the government needlessly started a gunfight. I believe any such utterance by a government official should be taken seriously, because even if they’re not actually willing to use nukes, they certainly have no problem with government killing off undesirables.
Two: A private citizen couldn’t make a threat against a congressman without expecting government agents showing up at his or her door asking some very uncomfortable questions. Said citizen might even face jail time. Should we really allow congressmen to casually make such a statement without fear of repercussion?
All that aside, nuclear weapons are not something just casually mentions in a debate about “shall not be infringed.” This is a guy who obviously thinks government should be turned loose on American citizens for no reason other than the fact they own a firearm.
This is very dangerous stuff and needs to be treated as such.
On November 23, 2018 at 6:49 pm, Gryphon said:
H –
“Causing the US to get nuked at any level could result in the world deciding it’s just too dangerous to allow any Jews to live.”
I wouldn’t agree with that , in spite of My Awareness of how it is “those people” who are mostly Responsible for communism and a lot of the Maladies in Western Civilization today – But it would be a Good Idea to Bar all “Dual Citizens” from participation in Politics, Government, an the Military.
Then just Ban Usury, Issue Constitutional Money (Germany proved it Works even without Gold Backing) Destroy (physically, every location) the kosher “federal reserve bank” and watch the Parasites run.
On November 24, 2018 at 9:13 am, Ned said:
Just saw this today – Larry Correia does some math(s) on nuking gunowers: http://monsterhunternation.com/2018/11/19/the-2nd-amendment-is-obsolete-says-congressman-who-wants-to-nuke-omaha/