Myths About Afghanistan
Victor Davis Hanson on whether Afghanistan is really the "graveyard of empires ..."
Victor Davis Hanson on whether Afghanistan is really the "graveyard of empires ..."
Ernie Pyle's timeless wartime columns ...
No July 4 hot dogs with the Iranian Mullahs ...
Mark Steyn, U.S. sclerotic and ineffectual, declining into societal dementia ...
Nicholas Schmidle asks some hard questions about Nawaz Sharif ...
The CIA's war against President Bush was motivated by ass covering, or by political
NSA Director Keith Alexander, a three-star general, is expected to earn a fourth star when he
NSA Director Keith Alexander, a three-star general, is expected to earn a fourth star when he
Providing electronic devices for IEDs ...
Police watched from a distance and did not intervene ...
Been there, done that in the Middle East ...
Matt Sanchez - repealing DADT would be a disaster.
Too much U.S. largesse has created corruption in Afghan government.
Dan Riehl weighs in on language, thinking and security from terrorism ...
The U.S. is seeking to hire a merchant ship to deliver hundreds of tonnes of arms to Israel
Sharif brothers on Baitullah Mehsud's hit list.
No Georgian destruction of Tskhinvali, contrary to lying Russian claims.
Nuclear yield within six to twelve months.
McNeill ties length to Pakistan tribal region, likely to be protracted anyway.
Multinational force press release on Sadr City operations and seizure of weapons and munitions.
"We will fight them to the end."
War on terror not popular with Pakistani population.
U.S. presence expanding Southward in Iraq.
Its full steam ahead for Iran.
And SECDEF Gates continues to press this issue.
Pajamas Media exclusive: how your tax dollars fund terror.
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary Graduate executed in Afghanistan.
Nearly 1000 dead from harshest Afghan winter in 30 years.
Attacks in Baghdad down 80% according to Iraqi Army.
Lack of appropriate defense spending a grave situation.
Olmert claims Iran still on target to construct nuclear weapon.
Promoted to Army Vice Chief of Staff. Well deserved.
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Libyans joining jihad in increasing numbers.
How relevant will Maliki be to Iraq's future?
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Abizaid questions whether Maliki can bring unity to Iraq.
From the Multinational Force, more on Operation Lion Pounce.
An important ally in Iraq has been assassinated.
Israel to show Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff nuclear intelligence on Iran.
Cabinet approves proposed agreement with U.S.
Prof. Kingsley Browne on his new book.
Major General Robert Scales: "Outcome is irreversible"
Mullen says military needs larger slice of GNP to modernize.
For siding with the U.S. against al Qaeda.
Terrorist poses as bride. Ugh!
Legislation in trouble.
Al Qaeda documents discovered near Syrian border.
Shameful people jeer disabled veterans in swimming pool.
Saudi jihadist in Iraq tells his personal story.
Concerning Iranian meddling and Quds.
Michael Yon breaks bread with General Petraeus.
Ralph Peters on the advancements in Iraq.
War between al Qaeda and Hezbollah.
Traumatic brain injury not recognized.
Ballistic Sensor Fused Munition.
High intensity electronic warfare.
Iranian weapons are a sign of continued Iranian meddling in Iraq.
U.S. forces in Iraq are using a high-resolution, thermal/infrared sensor system.
Washington Post profiles AQI (al Qaeda in Iraq, or al Qaeda in Mesopotamia).
Taiwan may not be as secure as we would like to think.
Be thankful your daughter isn't be raised in Basra.
Pastor discusses rules of engagement and sacrificial U.S. deaths.
In counterinsurgency (COIN), patience is a virtue. But violence has decreased so fast in
Quite an ugly exchange took place a few days over the issue of women in infantry (note, not women in the military, but women in infantry) . But many may still harbor the notion – or believe the myth – that it’s all about social mores. My detractor is not a Marine infantryman, and neither am I. So I decided to go right to an authority on the issue and discuss this with a certain Marine infantryman whom I know that has spent a lot of time in the field, earning the combat action ribbon in Iraq.
I expected a visceral reaction, and to my surprise I got much more of a reflective, studied response than I bargained for, at least initially. The initial thoughts concerned the Navy Corpsmen and the sorts of things they treat for Marines on a daily basis when Marines are in the field for 28 days and don’t shower. A whole host of different diseases and different logistical concerns would exist for women than for men. But we won’t rehearse the balance of that part of the discussion – it was far too personal. Other issues were brought up. The very long discussion eventually shifted to a number of physical issues. It went something like this (this is a condensed summary statement of what I heard; there was much more than included below).
“Look. Whoever said this is a pogue and has never been in the field. Yes, it’s about the 120+ temperatures – it’s almost impossible to operate. Yes, it’s about the heavy body armor, and in full gear with backpack, hydration, weapon and ammunition, it’s more than 120 pounds for as long as the hump, 15 or 20 miles. But it’s really about more than that. It’s even more than about the ability to carry heavy weight for long distances in high temperatures. We don’t bathe for a month at a time. If we are doing MCMAP quals, we beat the hell out of each other, continually – every day, all of the time. Literally. Men beat the hell out of men, and get it back too.
Remember when I was in Fallujah and I had to jump off of the roof of the house? I was under fire, my unit was leaving and I had to catch the HMMWV, and I had on full body armor with hydration, SAW drums and SAW. And I had to jump from the roof of a house to the ground. I have had to tackle men in Fallujah who were assaulting us. Full grown men, attacking us by hand. Football style tackle with holds and moves on the dude while in full body armor.
Remember when I trained the SAW gunners before ___________? I would make them hit the road for a four or five mile run in the morning, full armor, to the range. Range all day, then four or five miles back. Screw PTs. Can you run and live all day in full armor?
You want to know what it’s like, physically, to be an infantry Marine in the field? Strap 120 pounds on your body and play men’s football for a season, and do it while being sleep deprived with guys dropping around you from heat stroke. Do squad rushes with full weight. And when you hit the ground, don’t pretend. Hit the ground.
Whoever said this is a f****** pogue. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but he’s trying to impress the women around him. He’s listened to what they’ve said for too long. Tell him I said that he’s a pogue and sits behind a desk. Time to get his ass up and hit the field with the infantry Marines. Then he’ll understand.”
So there you have it. The case is closed for The Captain’s Journal because an authority has spoken on the issue.
Generally I think that articles which rely on the ideas of other bloggers is to be avoided. Occasionally however, it is appropriate to respond to critics. One strength of blogging is the ability to link, criticize, interact, and respond. I accept that although I don’t want it to dominate my prose.
Now for Gulliver at Ink Spots.
People will use just about anything as evidence for things they already believe.
Case in point: Herschel Smith thinks that the presence of women in Soviet combat formations is one of the top five most important reasons for their failure in Afghanistan.
I think that other things were essential to the loss, including [a] focus on the cities v. the countryside, [b] complete breakdown of the lines of logistics due to [a] above, [c] heavy losses because of Taliban control over the roads due to [a] above, [d] focus on mounted combat and mounted patrols as opposed to dismounted operations, [e] women in combat billets which led to a high number of lower extremity injuries and a high number of combat ineffective units, and a whole host of other things. [emphasis mine]
This comes in the SWJ comment thread about an article on “Sri Lanka’s disconcerting COIN strategy,” as part of a post in which Smith dismisses Soviet “ruthlessness” as one of the primary reasons for defeat in the Afghan war.
So in short, girls in the infantry were more damaging to the Russian war effort than bad counterinsurgency tactics. “There is the thing of testosterone, and it’s different because God made it that way.” Ok? Ok. Glad we cleared that one up.
Let’s think carefully about both my comment and Gulliver’s reaction to it. Both say something about the commenters and their thought boundaries. The comment was left at the Small Wars Journal blog in response to an article by Major Niel Smith. If I may be allowed to summarize the thesis, he posits that the more violent and less population centric counterinsurgency model has its supporters. He specifically mentions Ralph Peters and Colonel Gian Gentile; I’m not sure sure about Ralph Peters, but I would comment that the inclusion of Colonel Gentile in this category is true to some extent, but somewhat inappropriate given the nuance included in Gentile’s model and also given the use made of this inclusion (for one of the best discussions of Gentile’s position, see The Imperative for an American General Purpose Army That Can Fight, Foreign Policy Research Institute). His (Niel Smith’s) discussion ranges into the brutality of less population centric counterinsurgency, and in this he should have (in my opinion) focused more on Edward Luttwak.
But getting back to the main point, Niel goes on to grant the assumption that some of the evidence is compelling in favor of this view, but that there is even more compelling contrary evidence – defeater evidence – for the success rate of counterinsurgency focused on heavier combat tactics. At this point he uses several examples, one of which is the Russian campaign in Afghanistan.
So Niel has written a fairly open minded article positing that there is evidence to support what I will call the Luttwak position, while more compelling defeater evidence. He then invites critique. In my critique I didn’t weigh in on the overall thesis, but did essentially state that the Russian campaign was a poor example to support the thesis. I opined that there were other more important reasons that the Russians lost the campaign.
Enter Gulliver. He thinks that I have listed my top five reasons that the Russian campaign failed. Why Gulliver thinks that I have listed my top five reasons is not known. Gulliver would have to answer that question himself. If I had been asked to list my top reasons that the Russian campaign failed, I probably would lead with focus on the population centers and relegation of the countryside to the Taliban to recruit, train and raise support. In second place wouldn’t be U.S. help and assistance, although many would place this one in first or second. My second reason (challenging for top spot) would be the existence of the Russian made RPG, plentiful to the Taliban for reasons that included U.S. help. The Russian RPG was the first EFP (explosively formed projectile) used en mass on the battle field.
But no one asked me to enumerate my top five reasons the campaign failed. I merely included a list of things that initially came to mind. Let’s deal with women in combat now. Gulliver’s response drips with sarcasm even after his incorrect assumptions concerning my list of reasons that the Russians lost. But it remains undisputed that there were women in combat billets in the Russian campaign, and it remains undisputed that there were a large number of lower extremity injuries and that this led to a large number of ineffective units.
Marine in Helmand suffering under a heavy combat load, way more than 100 pounds.
But there is more to discuss on this issue. As regular readers know, we have followed the dismounted campaign by the U.S. Marines in the Helmand Province. CBS reporter Lara Logan has seen the Marines in Helmand without an ounce of fat on their bodies, and she has even expressed concern over their health. When my son deployed to Fallujah he was so slim and muscular that I wondered how he would lose any weight whatsoever, as there was no weight to lose. The only way he lost 20 or 30 pounds was the same way the Marines in Helmand do it. The body turns on itself and begins eating muscle for energy. I am a weight lifter and I know how to avoid this, i.e., I know when to stop my workout because I am no longer helping my body. It’s actually dangerous, although Ms. Logan doesn’t know how to express it. The body hurts itself when it begins using muscle and internal organs for energy.
Here is a test question. We have discussed the Marines carrying 120 pounds on their back in 120 F heat in Helmand, patrolling all day and even conducting squad rushes with this weight. Now for the question for the readers. How many of you – raise your hands now – believe that women could carry 120 pounds in 120 F heat all day in Helmand and then conduct squad rushes? You can answer in the comments – it’s okay. But if you answer yes, you are also required to tell us what kind of dope you’ve been smoking. You see, we all know what the honest answer to this question is, even if Gulliver doesn’t admit that he does.
Now let’s close with a little examination of what the Democrats think about special forces, special operations forces, and women in combat billets. I support women in the military, and one example of such a role would be the use of female Marines to interact with Afghan women after terrain has been seized. But the Democrats in Congress ( hereafter Dems) wanted something different for the Army. Hence, women occupy combat billets in the Army.
The Dems want their social experiments and projects, but even they know that there has to be a boundary for this. Michael Fumento has a good article on the Dems’ love of SF and SOF and their promise to expand the SF. I have weighed in on the cult of Special Forces, so I won’t reiterate my issues with the Dems’ proposal or Michael Fumento’s prose here.
The point is that SF are deployed all over the globe. They are involved in black operations that are never seen, never heard of, and are not subject to the Dems’ social experiments. The Dems know this and they want it that way. Women are not allowed in combat billets, not in the Special Forces, not in the Special Operations Forces, and not in Marine infantry. The Dems want their programs, but they also want to know that they can call on infantry to do the job of infantry, so they restrict their own programs to known boundaries. I challenged those boundaries and believe that they should not allow women in Army infantry. The Dems include women in Army infantry. But they stop there. Not the Marines, and not Army SF.
There you have it. They are at the best simply not forthcoming, and at the worst, disingenuous liars. The truth gets spoken in quiet circles when no one but the power brokers are listening. The public hears what the power brokers want them to hear. One piece of that tripe is that there is no difference between men and women in the military. They know better, but don’t want you to know that they know.
Now back to Gulliver … if Gulliver has managed to hang on and pay attention this long. Is it I who has allowed his bias (presuppositions) to dictate the outcome, or Gulliver? Note again his comments above. Gulliver is simply indignant that I have “dismissed” Soviet ruthlessness as the reason for their failure in the campaign. But isn’t he begging the question? Has he not even allowed the Niel Smith’s assumptions to dictate the course of the debate? Niel has allowed that there is evidence that supports Luttwak’s thesis, but believes that there is stronger defeater evidence. Gulliver doesn’t engage in the debate. He simply assumes that the Soviets lost due to the reasons he outlines, and then proceeds from there. Who then is the one who uses just about anything as evidence for things he already believes?
The reader can judge for himself. In the mean time, I have given you Luttwak, Gentile, Niel Smith, women in combat billets, heavy combat loads, squad rushes, the Small Wars Journal blog, SF and SOF, black operations and the Dems in Congress to think about.
If I ever give you worthless tripe like you read at Ink Spots, you should savage me in the comments.
Yes, there is many a Marine NCO out there who after reading the title of this post, is asking himself “what’s the difference?” Well, Starbuck at the Small Wars Journal Blog has written about the recent Marine Corps training in mule handling as a means of transport of heavy supplies, including ammunition, ordnance, and the other things that weigh the Marine down while patrolling and travelling.
With 75 pounds of military gear cinched on her furry back, Annie was stubborn the whole way.
The two Marines assigned to her pushed, pulled and sweet-talked her up the steep, twisting trail on the eastern side of the Sierra Nevada.
“C’mon, girl, you can make it,” Lance Cpl. Chad Campbell whispered in her ear.“Only one more hill,” promised Lance Cpl. Cameron Cross as he shoved Annie’s muscular hindquarters.
The red-hued donkey snorted, nibbled on grass and let loose that distinctive braying, which begins with a loud nasal inhalation and concludes with an even louder blast of deep-throated protest.
She also dropped green, foul-smelling clumps, which the Marines carefully sidestepped.
On the rocky, uneven path, Annie never stumbled. A good donkey, Marines say, knows three steps ahead where it wants to walk.
For Campbell and Cross, the day with Annie could be a preview of days to come. The two may soon deploy to Afghanistan, where donkeys and mules have been the preferred mode of military transport for centuries — and remain so.
With the U.S. shifting its focus from the deserts of Iraq to the mountains of Central Asia, this course on pack animals at the Marine Corps Mountain Warfare Training Center has become critical to the new mission.
I just have one bone to pick. I dealt with this almost four months ago in Marines, Animals and Counterinsurgency. I also linked and embedded the video of the Big Dog, a mechanized set of processors, servos and other components that will malfunction, have no power when the batteries degrade or die, and require constant maintenance due to dust, mud, and overuse. Brandon Friedman at the SWJ has it about right.
The BigDog seems pretty ridiculous. We could probably buy a mule for every infantry squad in Afghanistan and feed it for a year for well under the price of one BigDog. How does the BigDog work in the rain? Can it make a water crossing? How many batteries does it require? How heavy are they? How are they charged? Who’s trained to do maintenance on it? Will he or she have to accompany the BigDog on missions? I really love the stealthy buzzing sound it makes, too.
Yes, the thing sounds like a million angry Africanized bees. I am all in favor of weight reduction for warriors, and have constantly advocated R&D for ESAPI plates to reduce body armor weight. But the low hanging fruit has been picked, and any further weight reductions will come at high expense and hard work.
I can’t escape the feeling that some of the drive at DARPA to build mechanical beasts to support logistics has to do with the eradication or neutralization of gender differences. We have dealt with this issue before in:
Scenes from Operation Khanjar II
Where we discussed the fact that Marine infantry and Army Special Forces don’t allow females to occupy billets. Females have different PT requirements than males, and suffered an inordinately high number of lower extremity injuries compared to males in the Russian Army while they conducted their campaign in Afghanistan.
When the average Marine Infantryman leaves the line at greater than 120 pounds, it’s obvious that gender differences become pronounced, as do differences in conditioning and training. If one supposes that this load is reduced to 90 – 100 pounds, how does that allow for the eradication of gender differences? In fact, suppose that the Marine is only carrying his body armor, hydration system, weapon (let’s suppose a SAW), ammunition (let’s suppose several drums of ammunition), and a few other essentials for a daily patrol. How does a reduction in the weight to 60 – 70 pounds eradicate gender differences when the Marine needs to sprint from compound to compound in order to avoid sniper fire?
As for the mules and donkeys, I have previously described my view of what fathers should be doing with their sons. My Marine knew how to train Quarter horses and care for dogs before he ever went into the Marines because I taught him. He eventually became better than me. Every Marine should know something about how to handle dogs, mules, horses, and other animals, and should also know something about the anatomy of animals (e.g., how do you prepare a snake to eat after you have killed it, how do you care for horses in the absence of a farrier, and so on).
As we pointed out before, the discussions about animals in the Small Wars Manual doesn’t seem so far fetched in this day and age, does it? The Afghanistan terrain and climate that would kill most machines is ready made for beasts of burden.
In summary, weight reduction ought to be pursued with available funds to reduce the burden on the Infantryman. But Marine infantry is for young men, and the push to eradicate gender differences, if that’s what this is about, makes the DoD and DARPA look stupid. Marine Infantrymen must be males for a whole host of very good reasons. The push to eradicate gender considerations should stop, as the money is needed elsewhere. All Marines should know something about the proper care of animals, and there is no excuse for leaving this out of pre-deployment training. The Marines aren’t so busy that they can’t rotate through a week long course with another Marine instructor who has himself been more thoroughly trained on animals.
Seriously. What could possibly be controversial about what I have said?
U.S. Marine Cpl. Brian Knight, of Cincinnati, Ohio, with the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, 1st Battalion 5th Marines, pauses briefly in the heat to rest with his heavy pack filled with mortar equipment, ammunition, food, and water in the Nawa district in Afghanistan’s Helmand province Saturday, July 4, 2009.
This Marine is carrying his backpack filled with food, hydration system, clothing, etc., and is also carrying ammunition, weapon, body armor, and other equipment. He is likely going “across the line” at 120 to 130 pounds. He is suffering in heat and with heavy battle space weight. For weight lifters like me, let’s put this in terms we can understand. This is like putting three York 45 pound plates in a backpack and humping it for ten or fifteen miles in 100+ degree Fahrenheit weather.
Battle space weight is a recurring theme at The Captain’s Journal, and will remain so. Money should be devoted to the weight reduction of SAPI plates in body armor and other low and even high hanging fruit. The weight of water is decided by God and cannot be altered.
Another salient point bears down on us. This is why women are not allowed in Marine infantry (or Army Special Forces), and why women suffered an inordinately high number of lower extremity injuries (leading to ineffective Russian units) when they deployed with the Russian Army in their losing campaign in Afghanistan. Just like God decides the weight of water, He also decides the physiques of men and women.
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The L.A. Times looks at women in combat, and while the whole article is worth reading, here is one quote that waxed interesting.
“I felt like the Gestapo,” she said. “All I could think of was ‘What would I feel like if somebody did this to me?’ “
Regular readers know our position on women in combat. Women in the military is one thing, but women in combat is quite another. Russia had women in the infantry during its war with Afghanistan, and found that women suffered a disproportionately high number of lower extremity injuries and men did foolish things attempting to pair up with and take care of women. There is the thing of testosterone, and it’s different because God made it that way. The PT requirements are different between male and female Marines because they have to be, and the Marines don’t allow women in infantry.
The day that the Marines have women in the infantry will be the day that the U.S. Marines as we know it ceases to exist. OF course, all of this is controversial, and it could be that The Captain’s Journal has made a number of women mad over this post. As for kicking in doors in counterinsurgency, to be sure, one has to know when to show respect for a sheikh and when to treat him like the rest of the population – when to bust in doors, and when to sit and watch ball games on TV. It should all redound to winning the counterinsurgency campaign, and whatever is deemed appropriate at the time should be done.
As for the woman who couldn’t stop feeling like the Gestapo, the immediate reaction here at TCJ comes from a tune by Joe Walsh, and the line is “and we don’t need the ladies cryin’ cause the story’s sad.”
For the women reading this post, just relax with some weekend music instead of being angry with us.
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