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Cops Pulling Weapons For “Suspicious” Behavior

BY Herschel Smith
2 days, 11 hours ago

The Charlotte Observer:

Police in Knoxville, Tenn., have ruled that an off-duty officer acted appropriately when he pulled a gun on a Charlotte woman who was picking up a used SUV she bought there in May.

An Internal Affairs review ruled Officer Matthew Janish believed he saw suspicious behavior May 3 when he observed Tonya Jameson attempting to retrieve the SUV, according to the Knoxville Mercury.

Jameson worked as a reporter and columnist for the Observer from 1994 to 2009.

She was attempting to place a license plate on the SUV she purchased from Janish’s mother-in-law, who lives across the street from Janish. The mother-in-law wasn’t home.

Jameson arrived to the home in an unmarked taxi that drove away, and Janish said he thought she was attempting to steal the vehicle, according to the Mercury. Janish had known the SUV was for sale, but wasn’t aware it had been sold, the Mercury reported.

He pulled a gun on Jameson for five minutes while a sheriff’s sergeant arrived. Jameson was allowed to go once they made contact with Janish’s mother-in-law, who confirmed Jameson had bought the vehicle, the Mercury reported.

Jameson filed a complaint with Knoxville Police a week after the incident. She posted about the exchange on social media and said racism was a factor, claiming Janish had racially profiled her.

Knoxville Police Chief David Rausch went to Charlotte to tell Jameson the news in person. She wasn’t happy to hear Janish wouldn’t be punished.

“I can’t say I’m surprised, but I am disappointed,” Jameson said in a blog. “I’m not sure why. After all, time and time again, we’ve seen police officers cleared of any wrongdoing after they have shot and killed unarmed citizens. Why did I think my incident would be any different? At least, I’m still alive.”

This is really very easy and simple, and there is no complexity whatsoever in events like this, despite jury difficulty in dealing with these things.

Tennessee v. Garner says that LEOs can unholster service weapons and shoot only when we can, i.e., when their life is in danger.  “Stop or I’ll shoot” is a denial of due process rights, and LEOs cannot do it.

There was no justification for unholstering the weapon and pointing the muzzle at someone in this circumstance.  The LEOs life wasn’t in danger.  It’s really just that simple.  I would have been in prison for unholstering a weapon and pointing it at this woman, and there is absolutely nothing in the body of American law that makes it okay for LEOs to do it.

The fact that procedures, police departments, judges and juries let them get away with it shows the low esteem in which they all hold our God-given rights.  There is no more constitution.  It is a thing of the past, an artifact of better men and a better time, a time when men kept covenant with one another and fulfilled their promises.

Eighth U.S. Circuit Court Of Appeals: Police Cannot Stop Open Carriers For Open Carry Where Open Carry Is Legal

BY Herschel Smith
2 weeks, 3 days ago

Dean Weingarten on a recent Eighth Circuit decision:

The 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in August reversed that decision and ruled Officers Nathan Kaiser, Tobias Hite and Shane Jensen violated his Fourth Amendment protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The judges took issue with the reason for the stop, saying a report of a person with a handgun isn’t enough to create a reasonable suspicion of a crime, and in Nebraska and Lincoln people can openly carry handguns.

[ … ]

Officer Kaiser relied on an incident report that did not contain information sufficient to create reasonable suspicion that Duffie had already, was, or was about to commit a crime. See United States v. Hensley, 469 U.S. 221, 227 (1985) (extending Terry to the investigation of completed crimes). Nebraska law permits individuals who are at least 18 years old to open carry handguns in public. See Neb. Rev. Stat. §§ 28-1202, 28-1204 (2009). The City of Lincoln does not restrict an individual’s right to open carry except in certain locations. See Lincoln, Neb., Mun. Ordinances § 9.36.130. Moreover, the mere report of a person with a handgun is insufficient to create reasonable suspicion. See Florida v. J.L., 529 U.S. 266, 272 (2000)

I thought I found all of the articles on and instances of open carry, but I missed this one.  I’m glad that Dean wrote on this.  It adds to our collected wisdom and information concerning what the courts think of this kind of behavior by the police – at least, some courts, even if they refuse to do anything about it.

For God’s sake.  The 58-year-old black pastor is a double amputee.  He fell all over the place trying to comply with the idiot’s command.  He injured himself and under other circumstances I can see death resulting from his fall (if he had landed differently).

The only disappointing thing about this judgment is that the cops weren’t fired and put in prison.  The circumstances are not necessarily similar to but dovetail with the decision by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, where they found that the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police violated the rights of Nathaniel Black, even though Black was apparently a criminal and did indeed break the law.

Nathaniel Black was part of a group of men in Charlotte, North Carolina who local police officers suspected might be engaged in criminal activity. In particular, Officers suspected that after seeing one of the men openly carrying a firearm – which was legal in North Carolina – that there was most likely another firearm present. When police began frisking the men one by one, Mr. Black wished to leave, but was told he was not free to leave. Officers chased Mr. Black and discovered that he possessed a firearm; it was later discovered that he was a previously convicted felon. Mr. Black was charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm. Before the United States District Court for the Western District of North Carolina, Mr. Black moved to suppress the evidence against him. His suppression motion was denied, he entered a guilty plea preserving a right to appeal the denial of the suppression motion, and he was sentenced to fifteen (15) years imprisonment. The United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit, however, determined that the officers had improperly seized Mr. Black, suppressed the evidence against him, and vacated his sentence.

This was the right decision.  Open carry is legal in North Carolina, and without this being a “Terry Stop” – and it most certainly wasn’t – Mr. Black should not even have been detained.

If you are a CLEO or a Chief of Police reading this, listen to me well.  If open carry is legal in your state, you cannot stop someone for open carry.  I know it sounds so obvious and common-sense that this shouldn’t have to be said.  But apparently with the police it does indeed have to be pointed out – again, and again, and again.

Only an idiot doesn’t understand this, or if you understand and refuse to implement and comply, you’re just a criminal with a badge.

Uniformed Deputy Told He Can’t Wear Gun Into Greenwood Movie Theater

BY Herschel Smith
2 weeks, 6 days ago

News from Bowling Green:

Warren County Sheriff’s Capt. Tim Robinson had planned to finish his end-of-the-work-day lunch break Friday by joining some friends for an early afternoon showing of “Wonder Woman” at the Regal Greenwood Mall Stadium 10 when he was turned away for wearing his gun.

Wearing a Class B uniform – the type of uniform with a badge embroidered on a polo-style shirt – Robinson entered the theater with friends, including some children who were looking forward to seeing the show. He was met by an employee who told him company policy forbids off-duty law enforcement officers from wearing guns into the theater.

He explained he was on his lunch break until 4:30 p.m. The employee responded by saying he could stand in the lobby until that time but still had to remove his gun before going into the theater.

“I got refused service at a movie theater,” Robinson said. He said he was “flabbergasted.”

“Really and truly, if I had not been a party to it, I would never have believed it would happen in Bowling Green,” he said.

Robinson explained the theater’s company policy does not trump state and federal law, both of which allow on- and off-duty officers to carry guns at all times. A new state law has a penalty phase that begins next month for businesses that deny officers the right to wear their guns.

“I tried to explain to them that a company policy does not override state and federal law,” he said. “They stood by their policy so I went outside and I removed my gun and shirt and went back in to watch the movie.”

[ … ]

Robinson felt wearing the shirt with the badge on it could have potentially made him a target of violence from someone with strong anti-police sentiment.

“If I’m wearing my official (uniform) I should be in a capacity where I am able to do my job and being unarmed I’m not going to be able to do that,” he said.

I couldn’t care less that you’re a LEO.  I fully support the idea that you’re just like us, not better.  I fully support their right to tell you not to carry, as well and your and my right to boycott their theater because of their policy.  What I don’t support is your right to carry in that establishment if they don’t recognize mine.

By the way, as for this fear you have of attacks for which you’re unprepared?  How does it feel?  You see, wearing a uniform is only one of the things that could get you attacked.  The list is long, including color of your skin, length of your hair, whether you’re wearing head covering if you’re a woman (if you live in Dearborn, Michigan), or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This problem you have with being unarmed and unable to respond to attack is the very same problem we face if we can’t carry.  Join the club.  But don’t expect sympathy from these quarters.

Fraternal Order Of Police Opposes Ohio Constitutional Carry

BY Herschel Smith
2 weeks, 6 days ago

David Codrea:

“Michael Weinman, director of governmental affairs with the Fraternal Order of Police, said the organization opposes the legislation,” The Canton Repository reports.

“Weinman said firearms training, currently necessitated by the licensing process, should be required of concealed-carry holders,” the report elaborates. “The police union opposes the bill.

“We’re very leery of … what crimes you’d be allowed to carry with,” Weinman is quoted. “Does it open it up for people who assaulted police officers to be able to now carry?”

“The sky is falling,” screamed chicken little.  But it never happens.  It hasn’t happened that way in any state where constitutional carry is part of the fabric of state statutes.

And he is lying partly because they want control, and partly because it’s all about the money.  But I repeat myself.

The Supreme Court On Excessive Force

BY Herschel Smith
3 weeks, 3 days ago

Guns.com:

The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday unanimously agreed that sheriff’s deputies used reasonable force when in a 2010 shooting that left two wounded.

Falling back on a longstanding objective reasonableness argument in use-of-force case law, the high court overturned a previous ruling in the case of Angel Mendez and Jennifer Garcia, between them shot 15 times by Los Angeles County deputies conducting a search.

Two deputies, Christopher Conley and Jennifer Pederson, were part of a larger force of officers looking for a dangerous parolee when they came across the couple living inside a primitive shack behind the property being searched. Without a warrant or announcing their presence, the officers opened the door to the shack which prompted a napping Mendez, who had a BB gun on his futon that he used to kill rats with, to stand. Conely yelled, “Gun!” and the deputies opened fire, hitting both individuals. Mendez, shot 14 times, had to have a leg amputated while Garcia, pregnant at the time of the shooting and hit once in the back, feared to lose her child.

Citing excessive force and civil rights allegations, the couple sued the county in 2011 in federal court, with U.S. District Judge Michael W. Fitzgerald in August 2013 granting over $4 million in damages to Mendez and Garcia. The ruling, upheld by the U.S. 9th Circuit on appeal last year, was overturned by the Supreme Court this week.

The deputies, previously cleared after the shooting by the LASD’s Office of Independent Review, used reasonable force as noted by the Supreme Court in an opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito for the eight-jurist panel that did not include newly added Justice Neil Gorsuch, who was not part of the court when the case was argued.

The court fell back on the 1989 Graham v. Connor ruling which held that objective reasonableness must be used when determining if excessive force was used by police, with courts basing their decisions on the information the officers had at the time.

What Alito took exception to was the 9th Circuit’s use of the so-called provocation rule to find the deputies liable for $4 million in damages, pinning it on a “murky” connection to a Fourth Amendment violation of search and seizure rights to label it excessive force. The logic of the 9th Circuit’s decision in citing the provocation rule was that the deputies lost their immunity from damages after they entered the shack without a warrant.

While I’m not a legal scholar, with all due respect to the writeup at Guns.com, this is a complex ruling and the Supreme Court is famous for deciding cases within a very limited framework.

The decision can be found here.  Alito had a problem with invoking a Ninth Circuit rule that he believed didn’t apply and could be used for nefarious reasons in the future.  Here is the money quote.

The rule’s fundamental flaw is that it uses another constitutional violation to manufacture an exces­sive force claim where one would not otherwise exist.

But if Alito has destroyed the Ninth Circuit “provocation” rule, in one and the same sentence he has destroyed the notion that there can ever be such a thing as excessive force.  He takes aim at the provocation rule, but in the process he runs roughshod over the specifics of the case where LEOs shot up two people who posed no danger to them because of “information they had at the time.”

Whether they should have had better information is left unaddressed, as it always will be.  Whether the safety of the innocents should be as important (or more important) than safety of the officers is left unaddressed.  Moreover, while the Supreme Court is protected by their own security, Alito doesn’t address the fact that we – the ordinary peasants – simply cannot wait for alleged LEOs to finish their business while we lie around unmoved as I’ve observed before concerning a case of armed men dressed in SWAT uniforms who invaded a home.

In addition to your felt need to “go home safely at the end of your shift,” we have an equivalent need to be safe in our own homes, to prevent flash-bang grenades from being thrown into our toddler’s cribs, to prevent your reflexively shooting our family dogs, and to prevent street thugs like this from raiding our homes under the guise of being police officers.

You see, we can’t just lay down and let people screaming “police, police, get the fuck on the floor, police, police” … come into our homes without countering those efforts with close quarters battle.  Because they may not be police.”

But in fact the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals did just this, i.e., the gave LEOs a pass for shooting an innocent man on bad information because they invaded his home and he resisted, not knowing who the invaders were.  So while the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals beclowned themselves with an idiotic ruling that could make the founders turn in their graves, the U.S. Supreme Court played one-upmanship in the parade of the ridiculous.

For LEOs, it’s okay to shoot a man who poses you no danger if he has a BB gun, as long as the information you have at the time, correct or incorrect, makes you believe you are in danger.  Warrant or no warrant.  It makes no difference.  Alito found that there was no excessive force.  Nothing else matters, and there will never be any recollection of the Ninth Circuit’s “provocation” rule or what Alito said about it.  This is all that matters.

If you were ever waiting on the Supreme Court to come to your aid regarding overbearing and dangerous police actions, you can disavow yourselves of the notion that there will be any aid forthcoming.  You’ve been taken.

San Juan County Sheriff Accused of Pointing Rifle At Staffer

BY Herschel Smith
1 month, 1 week ago

U.S. News:

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — The sheriff in a rural southeastern Utah county was charged Friday with threatening an employee in 2015 with a rifle, failing to properly carry out an investigation of the incident and then firing the staffer in retaliation. Two of his deputies were also charged.

San Juan County Sheriff Richard Eldredge was charged with one count of felony witness retaliation and three misdemeanors: official misconduct, reckless endangerment and obstruction of justice, the Utah Attorney General’s Office said in a news release.

Chief Deputy Alan Freestone, who ran an internal investigation state prosecutors allege was fraught with missteps, is charged with one count of felony witness retaliation and two misdemeanors: obstruction of justice and official misconduct.

Deputy Richard Wilcox, who is accused of being with Eldredge the day the sheriff pointed the assault rifle at the employee, is charged with three misdemeanors: official misconduct, reckless endangerment and obstruction of justice.

[ … ]

The alleged events occurred at a shooting range parking lot on May 26, 2015, according to a narrative from state prosecutors in charging documents.

An unnamed sheriff’s office employee said he heard a click and the sound of a trigger pull and turned around to see Sheriff Eldredge pointing an assault rifle at him. He said he heard deputy Wilcox chuckling. The employee said he had been previously confronted by the sheriff.

After the employee lodged a complaint, Eldredge assigned Freestone to investigate the incident despite previously assigned cases involving his department to be reviewed by outside agencies.

Freestone didn’t’ record his interview with Eldredge and Wilcox but recorded the employee’s interview and then allowed Eldredge and Wilcox to listen to it. His investigative report contained incorrect dates and paperwork and was missing audio interviews, prosecutor say.

Freestone closed the investigation in May 2016 concluding it didn’t happen.

Eldredge then used that finding to against the employee, eventually firing him in February of this year.

Gosh, I hate it when that happens to me.  I like to point rifles at people all the time and pull the trigger just to see the reaction on their faces.  Most of the time the rifle is unloaded and not cocked.

Hahahahaha … it’s really funny.  Just being boys, they were.  Too bad the dude had to take it so seriously, losing his job over something silly like this.  Hey, just be cool and let boys be boys.  Why do you have a problem with rifles being pointed at you, dude?

Armed Men Dressed In SWAT Uniforms Invade Home And Rob Couple

BY Herschel Smith
1 month, 2 weeks ago

Before we get to the main subject of this article, let’s cover an incident perpetrated by Carroll County’s Sheriff’s Office in Maryland.

The Carroll County Sheriff’s Office is admitting it was a mistake that led to a SWAT raid at a Montgomery County man’s home where he and his family were detained by police.

Israel Orellana has the same name as a man investigators were searching for in a gun theft case. Somehow, Carroll County got a warrant to search the wrong man’s home.

Orellana says he was in his bedroom Tuesday when he heard the noises. He says his mom had friends from church at their home at the time.

“I thought it was my mom’s friends because sometimes they pray and they start dancing,” he said. “So I get up from my bed and I start walking over to my door. And as I’m opening my door, I make eye contact with the SWAT officer and he pushes up against the door with his shield and he slams me against the wall. He starts screaming at me, ‘Stop resisting! Stop resisting!’”

Orellana showed FOX 5 a bruise on his face and scrapes on his arm. He said his hands were tied behind his back and he was taken upstairs to find that his family and his mother’s friends were also detained. He says officers barged in on his 14-year-old sister in the bathroom.

“It was really horrific,” he said. “You feel really helpless during the whole situation. Like you know you’re innocent, you’re telling them you’re innocent, but they just see you as a criminal.”

The Carroll County Sheriff’s Office got the search warrant for Orellana’s home and requested that Montgomery County police execute it. According to the search warrant, a man named Israel Orellana was linked to a home burglary where 20 guns and money were stolen. The suspect in the case was identified in surveillance video and investigators believed that Orellana’s driver’s license photo matched that video.

Both Israel Orellanas live in Gaithersburg.

“Stop resisting.”  Compliant sheeple, citizens are expected to be.  Shooting home invaders isn’t considered a right of citizens, and it’s questionable what a jury would have found, but there is no question that the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals would have given the cops a pass had they shot the man if he had in fact resisted.

This all put citizens in a dangerous position.  Men need to protect their families, and single women are even more vulnerable in this calculus.  The reason is clear.

The masked men got away with three Rolex watches and five guns. They are also accused of inappropriately touching Ouellette’s wife.

“This reminded her of something she would see in Colombia,” he said. “She never thought she’d see it in America.”

Never forget those words.  “I think it made us hesitate enough to give them the jump on us.”   As I said before concerning armed invaders and the proliferation of police SWAT raids, “For those of you who are LEOs, do you understand?  Does this ring any bells with you as home owners and family members?  Does it make any sense to you that this is number 18,399 on the list of reasons not to conduct home raids, even if they are intended to find evidence of wrong-doing?

Well, does it?  I hope a LEO weighs in, because it’s crystal clear to me and most readers.  In addition to your felt need to “go home safely at the end of your shift,” we have an equivalent need to be safe in our own homes, to prevent flash-bang grenades from being thrown into our toddler’s cribs, to prevent your reflexively shooting our family dogs, and to prevent street thugs like this from raiding our homes under the guise of being police officers.

You see, we can’t just lay down and let people screaming “police, police, get the fuck on the floor, police, police” … come into our homes without countering those efforts with close quarters battle.  Because they may not be police.”

The proliferation of military tactics into ordinary policing work in America was first promoted by progressives fighting a war on drugs, but the police-worship is possibly even worse among the “law-and-order” neocons who also happen to be some of the most virulent Northeastern gun controllers.

This is all setting up a national confrontation between the police and those who are being policed, and whether those who are setting all of this up actually understand the hazard this creates for themselves as well isn’t clear.  What is clear is that this is bound to get much worse before it ever gets any better.

But you simply cannot lay on the floor waiting for your door to be busted down because the home invaders might be police.  No honorable man can do something like that, any more than an honorable man can bust doors in and point guns at other people just because a judge says so.

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Revisiting Post-Katrina Gun Confiscations

BY Herschel Smith
1 month, 4 weeks ago

Via Guns.com, where a robust discussion is occurring over post-Katrina gun confiscations in the comments, comes this bit of history.

THEY didn’t stop serving when hurricane Katrina trashed New Orleans, and they defied looters by turning their bar into a fortress, with a shotgun-wielding transvestite as sentry at the door.

But on Thursday, regulars at the Kajun Pub regretfully drank a final toast to their life in the Big Easy, and bowed to authorities’ demands that they turn their backs on their stinking, wounded city.

It took a heavily armed team of US marshals, who confiscated their weapons in a late-evening raid that ended with a barman in jail, to break the resistance of owner Joann Guidos.

The videos include Louisiana National Guard, local LEOs, and others.  Above we learn that some of the “others” were federal marshals.

As regular readers know, more than two years ago I had sent a FOIA request to the Louisiana National Guard to determine who issued the arming orders for the National Guardsmen on patrol through Louisiana.  To date I have heard nothing back from them even after calling the governor’s office.  My bet is that arming orders were never issued and magazines were empty.

If this is true, it means that federal agents actually conducted all of the gun confiscations.  It’s really too bad that federal agents didn’t die during those raids.  It would have brought attention to infringement of God-given rights, and it may have been the only thing that would have.

Some weapons were returned to owners rusted and broken, others never got their weapons back.  All of them were left defenseless in the face of armed looters by men who don’t care and would just as soon see the people perish as to recognize their rights.  “Just obeying orders, ma’am.  Just obeying orders, sir.”

Never forget.  Never let it happen to you.  The federal agents confiscating weapons were criminals, conducting illegal search and seizures, guilty of theft, assault with deadly weapons, harassment, trespassing, and breaking and entering.  Each and every one of them deserved to die.  For the record, declaring “martial law” means nothing concerning your constitutionally recognized rights.  It is precisely in times of crisis that your rights matter the most, and the founders didn’t exempt hard times for the recognition of rights.

Law Enforcement In South Carolina And Alabama At War With Gun Rights

BY Herschel Smith
1 month, 4 weeks ago

The Post And Courier:

Charleston Police Chief Greg Mullen wants to stop the General Assembly from enacting a law that would allow gun owners to carry their guns concealed or openly without having to get a permit, and he’s enlisted area residents to help him get the job done.

[ … ]

Mullen says the law would make it more difficult for law enforcement employees to do their jobs since they wouldn’t be able to question people only for openly carrying their weapons.

“People are going to be calling us and wanting us to intervene, and we’re going to have to tell them because of the law, we’re not able to do that,” he said …

“At least we know when were dealing with a concealed-weapons carrier, they’ve gone through a background check and gone through training,” he said. “And it creates another opportunity for small situations, verbal altercations or minor disagreements, to lead to serious injuries or even death.”

Dramatic, yes?  Altercations, even death!  The problem is that he’s lying.  As a long time resident of a “Gold Star” traditional open carry state, I know that nothing of the sort happens.  And chief Mullen knows all of this too, but like LEOs everywhere, he wants to maintain control and the revenue stream that comes from gun permitting.  Mullen shouldn’t look at it as if he isn’t “able to intervene.”  He should look at it as an opportunity to educate the public on the rights of citizens of South Carolina.  He would rather intervene, since he is an old school collectivist.

Next up, Alabama LEOs.

Treadaway said an example of how the permit requirement is an important tool for law enforcement came last week when Birmingham police stopped a pickup with no headlights on. The officers noticed an AR-15 on the back seat, which was not illegal, Treadaway said. The driver admitted to having a pistol in the truck and did not have a permit for it.

That led to his arrest and a search of the truck, which turned up two pipe bombs and illegal drugs, Treadaway said.

“That’s a prime example that if this law passed, the concerns of law enforcement is that tool would be taken away,” Treadaway said.

It all sounds so dramatic, yes?  Except it wasn’t the lack of a permit that tipped the LEOs off to something else in the automobile, it was the willingness of the perpetrator to confess on the spot that he had a pistol in the truck.  Actually, if he had run his headlights, he never would have been stopped to begin with, so none of this has anything to do with permitting or open carry.

You can take it as an article of faith, that when asked about constitutional carry, LEOs everywhere will come up with the most dramatic excuses for why it’s a bad thing and will lead to blood in the streets and difficulty to maintain law and order.

Except that the history of open carry states shows that they’re lying every time.  So why ask them at all?  Ignore the LEOs when considering the rights of citizens.  After all, they aren’t constitutional scholars.

 

Empowered To Take Lives!

BY Herschel Smith
2 months, 2 weeks ago

Someone named Bob Cesca wrote as idiotic an article at Salon as you will ever read.  That’s not what interests me.  What does interest me is the comment thread, in which Jason Koskey says this.

Because we empower them to take lives. They are one of the few professions entrusted with such an awesome responsibility.

It’s simply a matter of fact that guns are offensive. Yes, you may successful shoot someone before they shoot you. That’s still offence, not defence. Guns have no defensive properties.

He’s referring to LEOs here with regards to his comment.  We “empower them to take lives!”  Forget for a moment that if guns have no defensive properties (?), LEOs would have no business carrying them to begin with.

Or perhaps that presupposes the consequent, or begs the question.  Perhaps Jason believes that cops need guns not for self defense, but only in order to do society’s bidding to take lives.  Forget due process, forget equal protection.  LEOs take lives.  That’s their purpose according to Jason.

This is a stark reminder concerning what collectivists think, and how far they’ve gone down the road to statism and serfdom.  That in Tennessee versus Garner the Supreme Court said that LEOs can only use firearms in self defense (and not to fire on someone like an escaping prisoner) is irrelevant.  That the SCOTUS said that cops have weapons for the very same reason civilians have them, i.e., personal protection, doesn’t matter to Jason.

Cops are empowered to take lives according to Jason.  Pity the fool who turns to the state for his well being.  The state cares nothing for him or his life.


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