New York Court Holds Stun Gun Ban is Not Unconstitutional, in Contravention of Caetano

Herschel Smith · 30 Mar 2025 · 2 Comments

Dean Weingarten has a good find at Ammoland. Judge Eduardo Ramos, the U.S. District Judge for the Southern District of New York,  has issued an Opinion & Order that a ban on stun guns is constitutional. A New York State law prohibits the private possession of stun guns and tasers; a New York City law prohibits the possession and selling of stun guns. Judge Ramos has ruled these laws do not infringe on rights protected by the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution. Let's briefly…… [read more]

Department Of Justice Report Undermines Gun Violence Claims

BY Herschel Smith
12 years, 6 months ago

Bob Unruh writing at World Net Daily:

A new statistical report from the federal government says that violent crime is surging for the second straight year while firearm violence remains essentially at the same level as it was in 2003.

The data could undercut Barack Obama’s ongoing campaign to control guns.

[ … ]

The report, called “Criminal Victimization, 2012,” was released by the U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics.

It said there “was no measurable change in the rate of firearm violence from 2011 to 2013 and from 2003 to 2013.”

… there were 460,720 “firearm victimizations” in 2012, down from 467,930 in 2011 and even down from the 467,350 in 2003.

While violent crime rates rose for blacks, they remained stable for whites and Hispanics.

Residents in urban areas continued to experience the highest rate of violent crime, and residents in the West had higher rates of violent victimization than residents in other regions of the country.

The anti-gun lobby is running out of excuses and sooner or later will have to admit that they are simply collectivists and don’t want members of the hive to be capable of self defense.

But another thing we learn is that violent crime (whether with a gun or not) is a culturally and racially concentrated phenomenon.  And to further demonstrate the point, what do you notice about this gun crime map?

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I’ll let the readers weigh in.

Update On Shooting Thirteen Year Old Boy With Toy Gun

BY Herschel Smith
12 years, 6 months ago

We covered it here.  You know the drill.  Sonoma deputies shot and killed a boy holding a toy gun.  First, let’s cover some details about the man.

The Sonoma County sheriff’s deputy who killed a 13-year-old boy after mistaking his toy AK-47 for a real rifle was identified Monday as a firearms instructor, hunter and war veteran who in the past has warned other officers that they may need to use lethal force to survive an encounter.

Deputy Erick Gelhaus, 48, had broad experience with guns – even relative to others in his profession – before he fatally shot Andy Lopez Cruz last Tuesday just outside Santa Rosa, an incident that has prompted community outrage.

Gelhaus is a frequent contributor to law enforcement magazines and online forums in which he promotes officer safety. He served as an infantry squad leader in Iraq, according to his online profiles, and he describes himself as an avid hunter in North America as well as Africa.

He once accidentally shot himself in the leg in 1995 while on duty with the Sheriff’s Office – reportedly while holstering a gun. However, officials said he has not fired upon a suspect in 24 years with the agency, where he serves as a field training officer for new recruits and trains colleagues to shoot at the department’s gun range.

This is just too good.  He is an expert on firearms – and he shot himself in the leg.  So let’s cover some details on the shooting itself.  Here is the one you really need to know.

Ethan Oliver, who lives across the street from where the shooting occurred, said he heard two gunshots, and while Lopez was on the ground the deputies “went at it again and unloaded like six to seven shots,” KTVU.com reported.

Like I said in the initial article.  The blue wall will close in and you will never hear the story.  Watch it happen, I said.  It’s happening.  The cop who did it is an “expert,” even though he shot himself.  The cops who fired were under threat, or had to assume so.  But they continued to shoot after the boy had gone down.

You’ll never hear the truth from the LEOs.  But you’ll hear enough of it to assist you in developing an understanding of how LEOs see the world today.  Be very careful and circumspect.  Watch your six.  The LEOs think they are in Iraq (and most of them only know what they saw on television).  The LEOs think we are Sunni or Shi’ite insurgents.  The LEOs think they are in the infantry.  The LEOs will kill you.  And the blue wall will close in to protect them.

What Is Muzzle Discipline?

BY Herschel Smith
12 years, 6 months ago

Not this:

Four law-enforcement officers were wounded Friday in a suburb of Sacramento, Calif., during an attempt to take a wanted gang member into custody.

The shooting occurred in Roseville, a suburb about 20 miles northeast of the state capital.

Helicopters circled overhead and armored vehicles and other police cars flocked to the area following an initial report that a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent had been shot.

A sporadic gun battle lasted into the night and the commotion snarled traffic for hours. Police responded by setting up a checkpoint and pointing guns at motorists, as this Associated Press photo shows.

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I have sent a note to the California Highway Patrol demanding to know why this officer hasn’t been arrested and charged with endangerment and assault with a deadly weapon (which includes perceived threat as well as potential danger).  I asked that they not respond that “the officer is observing trigger discipline,” because that’s not a good enough excuse for me.  I would have been arrested and charged with a crime.

I’ll let you know if I get a response, but I’m not holding my breath.  The CHP apparently allows criminals to work in their ranks.  I wonder how this guy would feel if he received a Christmas card in the mail of his picture shown through a high powered scope, cross hairs centered on him?

Guns And Obamacare

BY Herschel Smith
12 years, 6 months ago

Rachel Alexander writing for Townhall issues a warning.

… the NRA stepped in and got some of the worst language revised last December. Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c. prohibits the creation of a firearms database and stops doctors from disclosing or collecting information relating to a patient’s firearms. Ironically, this provision was probably the only positive result of most members of Congress not bothering to read the bill before voting on it.

However, the provision does not go as far as prohibiting doctors from asking their patients if there are any firearms in their home. In January, Obama issued 23 executive actions and orders regarding firearms. Order 16 stressed that Obamacare does not prohibit doctors from asking patients about their firearms, and the fact sheet includes, “Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence.” What constitutes a “threat of violence” could be very arbitrary. This puts doctors in a difficult position by suggesting they act as pseudo-law enforcement agents. It is damaging to doctor-patient privilege. If doctors have a patient with PTSD or mental illness, and they fail to ask the patient about their firearms, or report them to law enforcement, they could be on the hook later. It encourages them to err on the side of snooping into their patients’ guns. This is especially troubling considered the definition of mental illness keeps expanding.

In Guns And The Mentally Ill: A Professional Assessment, I noted yet again that the mental health profession couldn’t possibly sustain the load of predicting violent behavior and that mental health maladies have no particular association with propensity to violence.

Yet mental health continues to be the whipping boy du jour of the gun control fanatics, which led my commenter and former member of the military Will to comment:

I absolutely regret seeking care from the VA for PTSD for just this reason.

I’m so sorry.  I am so very sorry to the members of the military who have seen combat, earned the combat action ribbon (or Army equivalent), or who have sought care for PTSD.

For those who thought we had their backs, I’m so sorry that the country let you down by sending you to fight in a war with obscene rules of engagement that caused you danger, sent you to fight without enough troops, and now places you at risk upon return to lose your right to own weapons.

America will answer for its sins one day in time, and then in eternity.

The Stark Divide Over Gun Laws

BY Herschel Smith
12 years, 6 months ago

As readers know I’m usually bored with polls.  But The Washington Post had an interesting piece entitled The Start Divide Over Gun Laws – In Two Charts.

The best way to describe Americans’ overall attitude to current gun laws? One word — split.

A new Gallup poll shows that nearly half of adults say laws concerning guns sales should be tightened, while 50 percent say they should be unaltered or loosened.

Wait.  You mean all that stuff about 90%+ of all people wanting universal background checks was all just horse shit?  You mean they were just making that up because they know the GOP just sticks its fingers into the air to see which way the wind is blowing rather than make laws based on principle?  You mean the collectivists can’t be trusted?

Gosh.  It seems that someone should have said something about that before now.

Notes From HPS

BY Herschel Smith
12 years, 6 months ago

David Codrea:

“At the Burlington City Council Meeting on Monday, Councilor Norm Blais, the driving force behind the gun control ordinance campaign in Burlington, proved what [we have] stated from the beginning,” VFSC explained. “Burlington [is pursuing] the dismantling of the Vermont Sportsmen’s Bill of Rights so that towns and cities all over Vermont will have the power to enact gun control, hunting, shooting, fishing and trapping regulations. We would then face a patchwork of conflicting municipal ordinances.”

I am a long standing and diehard advocate of State’s rights, even to the extent that I don’t think the federal court system should be invoked when local gun control is concerned.  All gun politics is local, I have said.  The corollary is that in order to prevent local hicks, ne’er-do-wells and criminals from acting out their Napoleon fantasies upon other men, association with the state means that – assuming robust gun rights laws already exist – local municipalities and townships shouldn’t be able to preempt state laws.  The state is the right size for law-making and control.  Our founding fathers were wise.  Oh, and David is of course correct.  The goal of progressives is complete control over everything.  They’re control freaks and they think they know better than you.

Kurt Hofmann:

And it’s all bogus. As this column has noted before, John Fund debunked the claim handily in the National Review. More surprisingly, the shrilly anti-gun, fawningly pro-Obama Washington Post found the claim very unconvincing (soon updated to even less convincing than that, with a much more defensible figure being 14-22%), and when Obama continued to repeat the “40%” fiction, they realized that they had still been giving him too much slack.

Kurt covers some lies told by the collectivists.  There are so many from which to choose.  Kurt is of course correct to note that a good tactician goes after the weakness of his opponent – in this case lies concerning polling statistics – while at the same time Kurt acknowledges that polls or not, we’ll keep our guns.  Good.  Very good.

Michael Bane notes what he believes to be the utility of AR pistols as a PDW.  I’m not so convinced that one needs a high velocity round like this, but I’m more convinced than ever that a SBR has specific utility as a PDW, especially inside homes (regardless of caliber or muzzle velocity – and I would probably choose a pistol caliber SBR).  Of course, SBRs are illegal unless registered as such with the ATF, and I’ll have my fingernails pulled off before I’ll ever register any weapon with the ATF to get a tax stamp.

Mike Vanderboegh:

John Lott has written another book. No big surprise there. The surprise, forwarded to me by David Codrea, is that Lott has sanitized the story of the Fast and Furious scandal by writing me out of it.

John Lott has written another book. No big surprise there. The surprise, forwarded to me by David Codrea, is that Lott has sanitized the story of the Fast and Furious scandal by writing me out of it.

Now, it is no surprise that John Lott doesn’t like me very much. He took the trouble to personally look me up when I was resting and chatting with supporters on the steps at the side of the Connecticut state house right after my Hartford speech back in April (he also spoke at the rally) to take me to task for my “lawbreaking,” saying that I was alienating the vast majority in the center and playing to gun confiscationists’ worst characterizations of American firearm owners.

I told him if he was waiting for the “vast middle” to agree with us or to save us from the determined minority of collectivists who sought to disarm us he would be waiting a very long time. He left, frustrated and obviously angry that I could not see his “wisdom.”

John Lott is a jerk.  I’ve known this for some time now.  I interacted with him on an article I wrote about cases involving firearms in national parks and also so-called “assault weapons” and their ban in D.C.  John responded by saying that neither case was good to take to the supreme court and that, basically, me thinking so showed that I didn’t read his blog and should and I’d know more than I did.  Or something like that.

Frankly, I hadn’t known about him or his blog until just before that note, and so his point was irrelevant.  But his ass-clownery towards me wasn’t irrelevant at all.  Never read John Lott, never will.  That fact that Lott wrote Vanderboegh out of F&F only shows again what a jerk he is.

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Object Lessons For Parents And Gun Owners

BY Herschel Smith
12 years, 6 months ago

I don’t often do this, but I must proffer several unfortunate object lessons for many of us, if not most or even all of us.  The example comes from Nevada.

The parents of a seventh grade student who killed a teacher and wounded two students before taking his own life could face charges if police determine the boy got the semi-automatic gun from home, police said today.

“The potential is there [for charges to be filed],” said Sparks Police Department Deputy Chief Tom Miller. He said that decision would have to be left up to the local prosecutor’s office.

Miller said investigators believe the 12-year-old obtained the Ruger 9mm semi-automatic handgun from his home, however authorities are still trying to confirm the origin of the firearm.

He declined to identify the boy out of respect for his grieving family, but said he was a seventh grade student at Sparks Middle School.

One day after the shooting that took the life of a Marine veteran turned math teacher and left two students wounded, police said they were trying to determine what caused the student to snap.

Miller declined to address reports that the shooter may have been bullied, but Faith Ebans, a student who said she had math class with the gunman, told ABC News she believed he had been made fun of at school.

“I saw kids pushing him around and doing a lot of mean things to him,” she said.

“I guess one day he got tripped and my friends said, ‘Trip them back,” she said. “But I guess he just decided just to shoot them.”

The first object lesson has to do with education.  It may not have been fifty years ago, but public education has turned into an opportunity for the statists to indoctrinate gullible children into the ideas of communism, train them in atheism, and teach them to ignore all that is holy, good and righteous in favor of that which is manipulative, self serving and abusive.

Furthermore, it is becoming increasingly unsurprising that children snap in such environments.  As I tried to explain to a younger man in the context of “criminal intent” – a man who lacked my wisdom and years – in a very heady conversation, children are left virtually defenseless in public schools.

I know very little about you, but I assume (you can correct me if I’m wrong) that you do not have children of advanced school age (and I have no idea whether you are married). If your children one day attend public schools (I home schooled mine for the last several years except for one), they will find this notion in spades in the school system. Let me tell you how it plays out.

The kids that know they aren’t attending college know the kids who intend to attend college. The school system has given up on the idea of finding facts, finding fault and finding intent. Hence, the kids who have no intention of attending college abuse the ones who intend to attend college. It happens this way, and hundreds of others.

Let’s say that the school lunch line of a five minute wait. The bad kids will break in line and even punch the good kids. The good kids take it, run away, and avoid conflict at all costs. They do this because they know that the principal will make no attempt whatsoever to find facts or intent if a fight breaks out. Fights means that a kid is defending himself, or even that he isn’t and sits in a corner getting the hell kicked out of him. When it’s finally broken up, both kids get suspended, it goes on record, and colleges don’t accept kids with records. End of story. The competition is too high to accept kids with records, regardless of the fact that it’s disputed. All such records are disputed by every student.

My boys could have beat the hell out of anyone who they fought, but one of them needed to attend a scholarly college to do what he does, and for him we simply planned classes to avoid the bad kids, sent him with his lunch, and prayed that he got out without being in a … ahem … “fight.” Daniel, my Marine, just beat the hell out of anyone who accosted him. It cannot be that way for everyone. The ones who need to go to college behave differently. Daniel is in college now because of the Marines.

You see, smarts comes from books. Wisdom comes from age and experience. I have that. Been there, done that, got the tee shirt. And if you have children of advanced age one day, they will get the hell beaten out of them in school, or they will defend themselves and not go to college, or you will home school them. Welcome to fact-less, intent-less jurisprudence and lack of lawsuits against schools.

Public schools are tailor made for abusive treatment, and sometimes Christian schools aren’t much better with the girl-drama and cliques.  Be careful and wise, younger men, on how you educate your children and what you allow them to endure.  Consider home schooling.

The second object lesson pertains to guns.  I don’t know what “secure your weapons” means for you.  I don’t know if you’re an empty nester, or have younger children at home, or perhaps children being abused in public schools.  I know some men who never have a problem even with younger children, where their children know that even touching a gun means a “whooping.”  Others will have to use a different metric.

But if you do not exercise positive control over your weapons, you may find yourself heartbroken, and possibly in prison.  My opinion is that it isn’t within the purview of the state to tell you what “secure your weapons” means for you.  But you must police yourself.  The lives and freedom of you and your loved ones is at stake.

Sonoma Deputies Kill Thirteen Year Old Boy Carrying Toy Gun

BY Herschel Smith
12 years, 6 months ago

CBS News:

California sheriff’s officials and family members say deputies shot and killed a 13-year-old boy who was carrying a replica assault weapon.

Two Sonoma County deputies saw the boy walking with the replica weapon at about 3 p.m. local time Tuesday in Santa Rosa. Lt. Dennis O’Leary says they repeatedly ordered him to drop what appeared to be a rifle before firing several rounds.

The boy fell to the ground. Deputies handcuffed him and began administering first aid, but he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Deputies then discovered that the gun the man had been carrying was a replica, and he also had a plastic gun in his waistband, CBS San Francisco reports. O’Leary said the teen is believed to live in the area where he was killed.

The deputies involved have been placed on administrative leave while an investigation is conducted by police from Santa Rosa and Petaluma and the district attorney’s office, CBS San Francisco reports.

This is wicked behavior.  In Colonial times men were expected to carry their weapons to church worship services and practice afterwards with the rest of the community.  Today, LEOs will, at the slightest provocation, properly interpreted or not, gun down little boys where they stand for carrying toys.  The important thing of course is that the LEOs got to “go home at the end of their shift.”

The mother asks, “Why did they kill him? Why?”  Because they can.  Grieve for your lost little boy, Mrs. Cazarez, and we will grieve for the loss of our country to agents of Satan.  Now watch the blue wall close in behind these cops, these child murderers.  Watch it happen, and tell me if a single cop tells the truth or holds anyone accountable.  Tell me if a judge or jury finds these men guilty of anything?  No, the strongest response will be from totalitarian lawmakers who want to make it illegal to have or sell toy guns.

Watch it happen.

Notes From HPS

BY Herschel Smith
12 years, 6 months ago

David Codrea:

That’s the type of rhetoric anti-gun hive mind “monopoly of violence” zealots like those at the National Coalition to Ban Handguns call “insurrectionist,” sprinkled with words like “treason” and “traitor.” It’s the type of speech that would prompt U.S. News and World report editor and PBS contributor Bonnie Erbe to demand rounding up its practitioners. And citizens like Vanderboegh, and those who cheered and applauded him, are the type of people that “progressive” cartoonist Ted Rall wants declared enemy combatants and bundled off to Bagram, adding “If ever there were a reason for suspending civil rights, this is it.”

And that’s why it’s important to have guns and ammunition.  They can talk all they want.  We get to vote, and my vote won’t happen in a voting booth if any of the preceding obtains.  David is making a very specific point about how America is subdivided along ideological lines, a point with which none of us can argue.  My reaction, of course, is visceral and pedestrian as usual.

David is talking about the reaction to Mike Vanderboegh’s speech at the Alamo.  His speech is entitled One Country?  Or Two?  There is a video of the speech, but I read it – I’m old school.  I recommend that you read it even if you listen to it later.  It’s must reading.

Mike and David both have earned a debt of gratitude from us for the work they do on our behalf.  As a side bar comment, I notice that somebody said to Mike: “After reading a few of your articles, you so self absorbed it has to be shooting out of every opening you have. Change the name of this “blog” to “mikey can’t get enough of himself”. Your a worthless communist, a welfare junkie, and a general waste of human space.”

First of all, I’m reminded of the following comment to me concerning this article: “You are one of the stupidest assholes on the Internet, and Jim Hoft and Bob Owens are on the Internet.”  The commenter goaded me about not letting the comment see the light of day.  Not only did it see light, I put it up in lights.  So if my commenter is right, I’m a bigger asshole than either David or Mike.  Second, as for the two country thing, that issue was settled for me a long time ago.

Update on Magpul:

Magpul Industries Corp., the Boulder County-based maker of gun accessories, threatened to pull out of Colorado if new gun-control laws passed. The laws passed in March, but Magpul is still here.

The Boulder Daily Camera reports that it visited Magpul’s Erie headquarters and found the parking lot full of employees’ cars … According to the Camera, some customers have been leaving comments on Magpul’s Facebook page, criticizing it for not yet leaving Colorado as it vowed.

Well, it takes time, but let me be clear about this.  Magpul had better be about their business.  That’s all I’m going to say right now.

From Michael Bane:

… a local man was attacked by 3 coyotes…he fought them off with a flashlight. As much as I like flashlights, I think there are better anti-coyote strategies … Of course the first recommendation is carry dog/bear spray.

Hey, there’s nothing wrong with OC spray.  It works very well.  But, you know, carry a gun.  That’s all I’m going to say about that.

Finally, cops are appealing the decision on their not being allowed to carry guns to NFL games if they’re off duty.

The crackdown on firearms concerns Minneapolis Police Federation President John Delmonico. He believes a call for off-duty officers to give up their weapons at the gate violates an officer’s rights, as determined by state law.

The Minneapolis Police Federation sites state law, Chapter 624, which gives police officers full police powers 24 hours a day, seven days a week. In other words, they should be allowed to carry their weapons in any public place in the city.

“State law governs the facts that we can carry our guns off-duty in any public facility and any facility in the city of Minneapolis, which encompasses the dome,” Minneapolis Police Federation’s John Delmonico said.

So, Delmonico drafted a letter to Minnesota’s Attorney General.

They’re up in arms because it’s their Ox being gored.  And I have the perfect solution for them.  If they firmly believe that they cannot attend the game unarmed without violating their oath, then don’t attend the game at all.

People sometimes pay good money for counsel like that.  Should I send a bill to the cops?

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Who Would Jesus Shoot?

BY Herschel Smith
12 years, 6 months ago

Emily Miller notes that Washington National Cathedral recently weighed in on gun control.

Once again, the D.C. police are using their resources to provide illegal guns for a public relations stunt intended to pressure politicians to pass federal restrictions on the Second Amendment.

Outside the Washington National Cathedral on Sunday, blacksmiths will “forge firearms into garden tools” as a symbolic enactment of this year’s theme, “Swords into Plowshares.”

The Children’s Defense Fund, which is cosponsoring the event, said in a press release that blacksmiths will be using “illegal guns confiscated by the police.”

The dramatic scene will follows a children’s church service in which the organization’s president Marian Wright Edelman will speak.

It is illegal in the District to possess a firearm that is not registered. When asked about the event, Police Chief Cathy Lanier’s spokesman said that, “These are not firearms. They are scrap parts only, and they are inoperable.”

That’s actually legally irrelevant. According to the District firearms laws written after the Supreme Court’s Heller decision in 2008, even a non-functioning firearm must be registered and can result in criminal liability.

Yea, it may be illegal in more ways than one.  If they take possession of a lower receiver that is technically defined as the part that is controlled by the ATF.  But let’s focus on Washington National Cathedral for a moment.

How very sophisticated of them to beat up guns as part of a worship service.  David Codrea notes – tongue in check – how very hipster Gary Hall is.  Of course, Washington National Cathedral doesn’t believe in any of the classical confessions of the faith (e.g., Westminster Confession of Faith, Heidelberg Catechism, Canons of Dort, etc.).  They don’t believe in anything, and so they aren’t a real church.  You may as well have a Potemkin Pastor for your weekly speaker under those circumstances.  After all, it’s no more than a country club that meets once per week.

A few miles away in Indiana, another pastor takes a different view.

A pistol-packing pastor helped foil a stick-up when he pulled his handgun on a man trying to rob an Indiana discount store Friday night, police said.

Pastor Carl Sanders, who has a permit to carry a firearm, managed to hold the suspect at the Dollar General Store in Evansville on the until police arrived.

Evansville Police said Jermaine Dewayne Marshall, 25, walked into the store and, with a bandanna over his face and an unknown object wrapped in plastic in his hand, demanded money from a worker at the register. The employee refused.

“Marshall tells the individual again to open the register and points this object he’s trying to pass off as a firearm at the employee,” said Capt. Andy Chandler of the Evansville Police Department.

When the clerk refused again, Marshall struck him several times in the face.

That’s when Pastor Sanders walked into the store.

Sanders told NBC affiliate WFIE Evansville that Marshall came at him with what appeared to be a gun wrapped in plastic.

“He was telling me to get on the ground,” Sanders told WFIE. “That’s when I pulled my weapon and say, ‘No, you get on the ground.'”

“I laid my life down for some people, knowing they were going to be OK,” Sanders said, adding that Marshall “didn’t deserve to be hurt, I wasn’t going to hurt him, but I wanted him to know you can’t do this.”

Sanders called the police and kept Marshall covered until police arrived, Chandler said. Police discovered that Marshall had been trying to pass off a spoon wrapped in a plastic bag as a firearm.

You see, Carl Sanders cares about people, and Gary Hall doesn’t.  If this sounds harsh, you need to think more deeply about the issue since it is clear that you haven’t considered the ramifications of your views.

In what I noted to myself as one of the best lines I have ever heard, the horrible Think Progress had a piece entitled Who Would Jesus Shoot?  The comments are more important than the silly article, as they demonstrate that most people (falsely) equate Jesus with pacifism.

So in order to answer that question let me wax theological for a moment.  Nothing happened in the birth, life, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus that wasn’t ordained, controlled by God, and intended for a specific end (He upholds all things by the “Word of His power,” and He “Works all things after the counsel of His own will,” Hebrews 1:3 and Ephesians 1:11).

One must understand the soteriological import of every event in order to understand what happened to Jesus.  Asking the question Who Would Jesus Shoot? demonstrates that the questioner is an idiot.

But let’s pull this thread a little farther if we may.  I have dealt with the issue of guns, violence and Christianity in another extensive article, looking at the Biblical evidence, the historical evidence and the theological positions of the Church fathers.  Very directly, I state that:

God has laid the expectations at the feet of heads of families that they protect, provide for and defend their families and protect and defend their countries.  Little ones cannot do so, and rely solely on those who bore them.  God no more loves the willing neglect of their safety than He loves child abuse.  He no more appreciates the willingness to ignore the sanctity of our own lives than He approves of the abuse of our own bodies and souls.  God hasn’t called us to save the society by sacrificing our children or ourselves to robbers, home invaders, rapists or murderers.

Self defense – and defense of the little ones – goes well beyond a right.  It is a duty based on the idea that man is made in God’s image.  It is His expectation that we do the utmost to preserve and defend ourselves when in danger, for it is He who is sovereign and who gives life, and He doesn’t expect us to be dismissive or cavalier about its loss.

If you believe that it is your Christian duty to allow your children to be harmed by evil-doers (and you actually allow it to happen) because you think Christ was a pacifist, you are no better than a child abuser or pedophile.

Who would Jesus shoot?  He would shoot anyone he had to in order to save life from harm by evil-doers.  Christ had very specific warnings about those who cause the “little ones” to stumble (Luke 17:2), and He made clear His stipulations concerning their place in the Kingdom (Luke 18:16).

Like I said.  If you think this is some sort of doctrinaire, theoretical debate with ethereal platitudes, you’d better rethink your position.  This is the stuff of life and death – literally.

UPDATE: Thanks to David, Mike and Glenn for their attention to this article.



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