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		<title>By: The Captain&#8217;s Journal &#187; More on General David McKiernan</title>
		<link>http://www.captainsjournal.com/2009/05/11/general-mckiernan-out-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-27554</link>
		<dc:creator>The Captain&#8217;s Journal &#187; More on General David McKiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 04:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have evidence as to the incompetence of General Rodriguez, at least in terms of his judgment.  Most of the narrative coming out now is based on emotion rather than evidence.  To my knowledge [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have evidence as to the incompetence of General Rodriguez, at least in terms of his judgment.  Most of the narrative coming out now is based on emotion rather than evidence.  To my knowledge [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Herschel Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.captainsjournal.com/2009/05/11/general-mckiernan-out-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-27551</link>
		<dc:creator>Herschel Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 17:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few more links:

http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/showthread.php?t=7298

http://www.slate.com/id/2218160/

Follow the discussion thread at the SWC along with Fred&#039;s commentary.  Note the rich irony.  For a discussion about how we are replacing old Army with new COIN experience, the old Army being focused on kinetics, the scene is ironic in its attention to McChrystal and his knowledge in HVT hits, so-called &quot;collaborative warfare,&quot; and the like.  Nothing much about clearing, holding and building, securing the population. and so on.  Lot&#039;s about killing a few bad guys and ending it.

Ass backwards discussion, and very telling about the so-called &quot;counterinsurgency&quot; community.  Only so when it suits them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few more links:</p>
<p><a href="http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/showthread.php?t=7298" rel="nofollow">http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/showthread.php?t=7298</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2218160/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/id/2218160/</a></p>
<p>Follow the discussion thread at the SWC along with Fred&#8217;s commentary.  Note the rich irony.  For a discussion about how we are replacing old Army with new COIN experience, the old Army being focused on kinetics, the scene is ironic in its attention to McChrystal and his knowledge in HVT hits, so-called &#8220;collaborative warfare,&#8221; and the like.  Nothing much about clearing, holding and building, securing the population. and so on.  Lot&#8217;s about killing a few bad guys and ending it.</p>
<p>Ass backwards discussion, and very telling about the so-called &#8220;counterinsurgency&#8221; community.  Only so when it suits them.</p>
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		<title>By: TSAlfabet</title>
		<link>http://www.captainsjournal.com/2009/05/11/general-mckiernan-out-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-27550</link>
		<dc:creator>TSAlfabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also interesting to look at Gates&#039; role in this.  On one hand, it is heartening to see that Gates is still SecDef-- he seems to be a solid citizen, but then again at what point does he draw the line and refuse to be used as a smokescreen for bad policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also interesting to look at Gates&#8217; role in this.  On one hand, it is heartening to see that Gates is still SecDef&#8211; he seems to be a solid citizen, but then again at what point does he draw the line and refuse to be used as a smokescreen for bad policy?</p>
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		<title>By: Herschel Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.captainsjournal.com/2009/05/11/general-mckiernan-out-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-27549</link>
		<dc:creator>Herschel Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting and insightful comments, both of you.  I am afraid that they are on target.  As for the urban v. rural thing, I too would have hoped that the pitiful Afghan Army would have been able to hold the urban AO and allow the U.S. forces to take on the rural areas (the down side is that the Afghan Army is shot through with incompetence and drug abuse, the upshot would be that it would allow the U.S. forces to actually do COIN).

Basically, I think McKiernan was railroaded, and isn&#039;t the &quot;big Army dude doesn&#039;t get COIN&quot; commander he is charged with being.  That&#039;s all a lie, smoke screen and ruse.  He was a fine commander who was given an impossible task with too few troops.

Also, see Josh Foust for an assessment of other issues with McChrystal:

http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/05/11/a-double-edged-sword/

I will update as I get new info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting and insightful comments, both of you.  I am afraid that they are on target.  As for the urban v. rural thing, I too would have hoped that the pitiful Afghan Army would have been able to hold the urban AO and allow the U.S. forces to take on the rural areas (the down side is that the Afghan Army is shot through with incompetence and drug abuse, the upshot would be that it would allow the U.S. forces to actually do COIN).</p>
<p>Basically, I think McKiernan was railroaded, and isn&#8217;t the &#8220;big Army dude doesn&#8217;t get COIN&#8221; commander he is charged with being.  That&#8217;s all a lie, smoke screen and ruse.  He was a fine commander who was given an impossible task with too few troops.</p>
<p>Also, see Josh Foust for an assessment of other issues with McChrystal:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/05/11/a-double-edged-sword/" rel="nofollow">http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/05/11/a-double-edged-sword/</a></p>
<p>I will update as I get new info.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules Crittenden &#187; Deck Chairs Rearranged</title>
		<link>http://www.captainsjournal.com/2009/05/11/general-mckiernan-out-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-27548</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules Crittenden &#187; Deck Chairs Rearranged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Captain&#8217;s Journal casts a jaundiced eye at claims it was McKiernan&#8217;s conventional thinking vs. McChrystal&#8217;s spec ops attitude, and remarks on several other disconnects in Afghan strategy and tactics. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Captain&#8217;s Journal casts a jaundiced eye at claims it was McKiernan&#8217;s conventional thinking vs. McChrystal&#8217;s spec ops attitude, and remarks on several other disconnects in Afghan strategy and tactics. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TSAlfabet</title>
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		<dc:creator>TSAlfabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Finally, there is a debate among counterinsurgency experts as to where to deploy what additional resources the administration is willing to commit - urban population centers or rural terrain where the Taliban function, get their resources, and enforce their government.  The former seems to have won.  The troops are going to the population centers, a mistake that the Russians made during their campaign.  The Russians were prisoners of their own armor and city boundaries until their logistical difficulties and constant drain of casualties took enough of a toll for them to withdraw in defeat.&quot;

Here is the difference I see between the U.S. situation and the Soviets: legitimacy.   Whereas the T-ban can talk all they want about the infidel U.S. invaders, the truth is that the U.S. came as a direct result of attacks on the homeland by Taliban-supported terrorists.  The Soviets were, in fact, an occupying, neo-colonialist force that had no intention of giving the Afghans any real choice of government.   As a result, there was literally no place that the Soviets could go in Afghanistan that would not be hostile territory; i.e., &quot;pacification&quot; was impossible because the population would never support Soviet presence and, similarly, the Soviets could not train an indigenous force of Afghans to secure urban areas which would allow the Soviets to push into the hinterlands.  (Don&#039;t think the Soviets had much stomach for it, either, but that highlights another, important difference between the U.S. fighting spirit and the Soviet conscripts better left for another day).

At any rate, it is not clear whether an urban or rural focus would be better; likely it is a choice of the lesser of two evils.  The U.S. does, however, have at least a shot at training up the Afghan Army to hold urban areas with relatively easy logistics which will, in turn, allow the U.S. to push out from the urban areas and into the strongholds of the T-ban.  If the U.S. is very, very lucky, the rural areas under the heavy sharia thumb of the T-ban may get extremely tired of life and welcome U.S./Gov&#039;t forces when they eventually arrive.

Unfortunately, if one is forced to read the chrystal ball at this point (and given the McKiernan news) it is likely that the Administration has secretly shifted gears on A-stan and decided that it will commit minimal resources with no, real COIN, and start looking for a way to declare &quot;victory&quot; and get out.   Welcome back to the 1970&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Finally, there is a debate among counterinsurgency experts as to where to deploy what additional resources the administration is willing to commit &#8211; urban population centers or rural terrain where the Taliban function, get their resources, and enforce their government.  The former seems to have won.  The troops are going to the population centers, a mistake that the Russians made during their campaign.  The Russians were prisoners of their own armor and city boundaries until their logistical difficulties and constant drain of casualties took enough of a toll for them to withdraw in defeat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is the difference I see between the U.S. situation and the Soviets: legitimacy.   Whereas the T-ban can talk all they want about the infidel U.S. invaders, the truth is that the U.S. came as a direct result of attacks on the homeland by Taliban-supported terrorists.  The Soviets were, in fact, an occupying, neo-colonialist force that had no intention of giving the Afghans any real choice of government.   As a result, there was literally no place that the Soviets could go in Afghanistan that would not be hostile territory; i.e., &#8220;pacification&#8221; was impossible because the population would never support Soviet presence and, similarly, the Soviets could not train an indigenous force of Afghans to secure urban areas which would allow the Soviets to push into the hinterlands.  (Don&#8217;t think the Soviets had much stomach for it, either, but that highlights another, important difference between the U.S. fighting spirit and the Soviet conscripts better left for another day).</p>
<p>At any rate, it is not clear whether an urban or rural focus would be better; likely it is a choice of the lesser of two evils.  The U.S. does, however, have at least a shot at training up the Afghan Army to hold urban areas with relatively easy logistics which will, in turn, allow the U.S. to push out from the urban areas and into the strongholds of the T-ban.  If the U.S. is very, very lucky, the rural areas under the heavy sharia thumb of the T-ban may get extremely tired of life and welcome U.S./Gov&#8217;t forces when they eventually arrive.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, if one is forced to read the chrystal ball at this point (and given the McKiernan news) it is likely that the Administration has secretly shifted gears on A-stan and decided that it will commit minimal resources with no, real COIN, and start looking for a way to declare &#8220;victory&#8221; and get out.   Welcome back to the 1970&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Loyola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loyola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 07:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the strategy is to kill or capture Bin Laden, declare &quot;Mission Accomplished&quot; and split.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the strategy is to kill or capture Bin Laden, declare &#8220;Mission Accomplished&#8221; and split.</p>
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		<title>By: Instapundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MICHAEL YON on leadership changes in Afghanistan. Plus, a roundup from The Captain&#8217;s Journal&#8230;.</title>
		<link>http://www.captainsjournal.com/2009/05/11/general-mckiernan-out-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-27542</link>
		<dc:creator>Instapundit &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MICHAEL YON on leadership changes in Afghanistan. Plus, a roundup from The Captain&#8217;s Journal&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 03:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MICHAEL YON on leadership changes in Afghanistan. Plus, a roundup from The Captain&#8217;s Journal. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Belmont Club &#187; The departure of McKiernan</title>
		<link>http://www.captainsjournal.com/2009/05/11/general-mckiernan-out-in-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-27541</link>
		<dc:creator>Belmont Club &#187; The departure of McKiernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Captain&#8217;s Journal suggests that the real point of conflict with McKiernan was that he wanted a heavier footprint [...]</description>
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