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	<title>Comments on: As the Smoke Clears Over Basra &#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: batman</title>
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		<dc:creator>batman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latest reports I read are that Maliki and the IA have stepped up and now own Basra and are systematically taking Sadr City.  Somebody PLEASE give us an update and revisit what has really happened, and what it means for Iranian influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest reports I read are that Maliki and the IA have stepped up and now own Basra and are systematically taking Sadr City.  Somebody PLEASE give us an update and revisit what has really happened, and what it means for Iranian influence.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Basrah thing


The western anti-American media – especially CNN and the Washington Post – have dutifully and lustfully done the propaganda for their latest US enemy hero – Iran, hailing the Iraqi offensive against Iranian proxy terrorists as an “American defeat” and an “Iranian victory”.

Personally, I don’t buy that at all. 

I agree with most of what Frederic Kagan says in his article about the Basrah Op, which makes a lot of sense.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/931okgvl.asp

Also, my own reflections, impressions and theories, based on what I read and what I hear from Iraqis, tell me that, although it is true that Iran has a lot of tentacles in Iraq and elsewhere, their influence in Baghdad and the south in general is not as cemented as the anti-American pro-terrorist media and equally anti-American “think tanks” want to believe.

The reason I say this is because, apart form the Kurds, the Iraqis are Arabs and they do NOT like the “Furs”, as they call them – the Persians. This animosity goes back a long time, way before Islam.

It is true that within the Iraqi govnt. There are shi’a elements who are if not directly loyal to, at least quite influenced by Iran. The same goes for SOME elements of the Iraqi Shi’a clergy and SOME governors.

Iran also supports pratically all the various armed shi’a terrorist groups in Iraq, especially Hezbollah and the “special groups” as the US Military calls them. The Iranian “qods force” has weapons caches hidden in many places in the south.

All this is very dangerous.

But there is the good news about all this, too. From what I hear, The vast majority of regular Iraqis – SHI’A Iraqis, are worried, troubled and down right fed up with Iranian influence in the south. Not long ago several hundreds of thousands of southern shi’a Iraqis signed a petition complaining about and condemning Iranian influence in their part of Iraq. Many tribal sheiks were signatories of that petition. 

Although not even close to the numbers of their sunni counterparts, several shi’a Sahwa (Awakening) groups have been established in Baghdad, Babil and Wassit provinces. Elements – most likely pro-Iranian elements, of the Iraq govnt., are against any shi’a Sahwas just as they are against local elections. 

The reason for this is because they know that the establishment of both, will mean the removal of both the above mentioned elements of govnt. As well as the decline of their political parties. The fact is that Most Iraqis are fed up with the corrupt and inept elements of the Iraq govnt. Also, most Iraqis are disenchanted with the religious parties, whom have only been active in power struggles within their parties and against other shi’a entities. A recent survey showed that only some 25% of shi’a voters would vote for a religious party. 

One of the many good things that the Surge has accomplished is the Sahwas and the GRASS ROOTS RECONCILIATION between sunni and shi’a in, above all, the southern Baghdad belts and in some cases in Baghdad itself. Not sure about Diyala, though. This is now beginning to morph into POLITICAL parties. At least on the sunni side of the Sahwa. I am sure that this is in the works – on the sly – on the shi’a side of the Sahwa, too, organized by the US Military and diplomats. Most Iraq shi’a are more than fed up with the various “militias”, who are nothing else but thugs and terrorists. A lot of the JAM leadership has been killed or captured, many times as a result of local shi’a informants, who have come to the same conclusion as the sunni did about al quaeda and allied sunnit terrorist groups. “Better to work with the Americans” than to continue to suffer under the thugs.

The coming elections will undoubtedly see the creation of new political parties, most of whom with origins in the Sahwa. 

The challenge with that will be to get the various tribes to get along within the political parties and that is easier said than done. But the silver lining with that is that they will be Iraqi tribes uniting and squabbling and probably to some degree, fighting. After all, it IS Iraq. They will be IRAQIS and not Persians, Saudis, etc.

With a groundswell of Iraqis against Iranian presence in Iraq, the Persian dream of dominating Iraq will be finished. Unflrtunately, this will cost a lot of blood, though.

I predict that when Mosul is largely cleansed of al quaeda and other terrorist affiliates, then there will be another - US planned and organized final offensive against JAM, Fadhila and prehaps elements of Badr. The latter is trickier, though, as they have infiltrated the Iraqi army pretty much, as far as I know. But they will be weaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Basrah thing</p>
<p>The western anti-American media – especially CNN and the Washington Post – have dutifully and lustfully done the propaganda for their latest US enemy hero – Iran, hailing the Iraqi offensive against Iranian proxy terrorists as an “American defeat” and an “Iranian victory”.</p>
<p>Personally, I don’t buy that at all. </p>
<p>I agree with most of what Frederic Kagan says in his article about the Basrah Op, which makes a lot of sense.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/931okgvl.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/931okgvl.asp</a></p>
<p>Also, my own reflections, impressions and theories, based on what I read and what I hear from Iraqis, tell me that, although it is true that Iran has a lot of tentacles in Iraq and elsewhere, their influence in Baghdad and the south in general is not as cemented as the anti-American pro-terrorist media and equally anti-American “think tanks” want to believe.</p>
<p>The reason I say this is because, apart form the Kurds, the Iraqis are Arabs and they do NOT like the “Furs”, as they call them – the Persians. This animosity goes back a long time, way before Islam.</p>
<p>It is true that within the Iraqi govnt. There are shi’a elements who are if not directly loyal to, at least quite influenced by Iran. The same goes for SOME elements of the Iraqi Shi’a clergy and SOME governors.</p>
<p>Iran also supports pratically all the various armed shi’a terrorist groups in Iraq, especially Hezbollah and the “special groups” as the US Military calls them. The Iranian “qods force” has weapons caches hidden in many places in the south.</p>
<p>All this is very dangerous.</p>
<p>But there is the good news about all this, too. From what I hear, The vast majority of regular Iraqis – SHI’A Iraqis, are worried, troubled and down right fed up with Iranian influence in the south. Not long ago several hundreds of thousands of southern shi’a Iraqis signed a petition complaining about and condemning Iranian influence in their part of Iraq. Many tribal sheiks were signatories of that petition. </p>
<p>Although not even close to the numbers of their sunni counterparts, several shi’a Sahwa (Awakening) groups have been established in Baghdad, Babil and Wassit provinces. Elements – most likely pro-Iranian elements, of the Iraq govnt., are against any shi’a Sahwas just as they are against local elections. </p>
<p>The reason for this is because they know that the establishment of both, will mean the removal of both the above mentioned elements of govnt. As well as the decline of their political parties. The fact is that Most Iraqis are fed up with the corrupt and inept elements of the Iraq govnt. Also, most Iraqis are disenchanted with the religious parties, whom have only been active in power struggles within their parties and against other shi’a entities. A recent survey showed that only some 25% of shi’a voters would vote for a religious party. </p>
<p>One of the many good things that the Surge has accomplished is the Sahwas and the GRASS ROOTS RECONCILIATION between sunni and shi’a in, above all, the southern Baghdad belts and in some cases in Baghdad itself. Not sure about Diyala, though. This is now beginning to morph into POLITICAL parties. At least on the sunni side of the Sahwa. I am sure that this is in the works – on the sly – on the shi’a side of the Sahwa, too, organized by the US Military and diplomats. Most Iraq shi’a are more than fed up with the various “militias”, who are nothing else but thugs and terrorists. A lot of the JAM leadership has been killed or captured, many times as a result of local shi’a informants, who have come to the same conclusion as the sunni did about al quaeda and allied sunnit terrorist groups. “Better to work with the Americans” than to continue to suffer under the thugs.</p>
<p>The coming elections will undoubtedly see the creation of new political parties, most of whom with origins in the Sahwa. </p>
<p>The challenge with that will be to get the various tribes to get along within the political parties and that is easier said than done. But the silver lining with that is that they will be Iraqi tribes uniting and squabbling and probably to some degree, fighting. After all, it IS Iraq. They will be IRAQIS and not Persians, Saudis, etc.</p>
<p>With a groundswell of Iraqis against Iranian presence in Iraq, the Persian dream of dominating Iraq will be finished. Unflrtunately, this will cost a lot of blood, though.</p>
<p>I predict that when Mosul is largely cleansed of al quaeda and other terrorist affiliates, then there will be another - US planned and organized final offensive against JAM, Fadhila and prehaps elements of Badr. The latter is trickier, though, as they have infiltrated the Iraqi army pretty much, as far as I know. But they will be weaker.</p>
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		<title>By: The Thunder Run</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Thunder Run</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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A short recon of whats out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often....</description>
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<p>A short recon of whats out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day&#8230;so check back often&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: LT Nixon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The militia's ties to Iran are frightful, particularly since Quds force seems to have its fingers in a whole lot of pies.  Militia in-fighting and malign Iranian interference will never end until the government of Iraq can provide adequate security and services.  That might be a long time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The militia&#8217;s ties to Iran are frightful, particularly since Quds force seems to have its fingers in a whole lot of pies.  Militia in-fighting and malign Iranian interference will never end until the government of Iraq can provide adequate security and services.  That might be a long time&#8230;</p>
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